2014 Deefer- Unlucky year or just ours?

**DazzaTD5** · 9th July 2022, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Inkahootz81

Mechanic said the Puma ECU is bolted onto a part that is exposed to heat, so likely had small crack allowing water to ingress when warm, resulting in the tantrums.

again I find this a odd statement from the mechanic as the Ford ecu is encased in a rubbery plastic like a potting material.

anyway if its not showing and more issues, then leave it at that.

**spudfan** · 9th July 2022, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

IMHO... the Defender TDCi (2007 - 2016, puma) is the best Defender made...

A low range first lower than any other defender.
A a/c and heater that actually work.
a stronger gearbox.
a 5th and 6th gear which makes them great on the hiway
a good engine, that at 200K when I have pulled heads off there is no wear in the bores.
better seats.
ancillaries (starter, alternator, a/c compressor, water pump) rarely fail.
a lighter clutch (due to it being a full hydraulic)
an engine that tunes up exceptionally well (typical tune is 440NM @ that round 2000rpm, with the best I've done at 470NM)
still looks cool and came in that Keswick green.

compared to other **** 4x4s on the road its pretty simplistic and overall pretty reliable.

oh and another bad item is the price of them now.

I too think that the Puma is a fine machine. Fair enough our 2008 Puma has had the starter motor and water pump replaced but our 200 tdi has had a starter motor and an alternator replaced. Both the Puma and the tdi have had a clutch replacement. Just normal wear and tear. The Puma is such a user friendy and drivable machine and was a great step forward in the Defender lineage while still being a true Defender.

**spudfan** · 18th July 2022, 09:40 PM

Passed the 200,000 kms recently. The Covid cut down on the travel. Oh and still on it's original output shaft.

**Robmacca** · 19th July 2022, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by spudfan

Passed the 200,000 kms recently. The Covid cut down on the travel. Oh and still on it's original output shaft.

Wow, that's amazing, but it's not something that I would want to always have in the back of my mind when out travelling/touring, especially when remote.

**spudfan** · 19th July 2022, 08:02 AM

Good point. I am not boasting or bragging, just saying it as it is. It does cross my mind occasionally that it could fail. If it does I hope it is in the back yard! I will face that when it comes. I had thought of a preventive maintenance change but I have read reports of replacements lasting less than 30,000kms or in one case less than 20,000kms. Anyway if the shaft fails I'll post it up.

DiscoMick · 20th July 2022, 07:12 PM

Ours is still going after 186,000 kms.

**scarry** · 20th July 2022, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Ours is still going after 186,000 kms.

The one in the sons died at 86000Km,in the middle of no where.
It took a huge effort to get it back to MR auto to have it fixed,they had a pile of around 50 failed shafts at the workshop at the time.

Another marvellous piece of LR engineering,designed to keep the mechanics busy.

**spudfan** · 21st July 2022, 03:26 AM

I am not the first to wonder why some last and some don't.

**trout1105** · 21st July 2022, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Ours is still going after 186,000 kms.

360,000k's on the 79 series and still on the original output shaft as well

**travelrover** · 21st July 2022, 06:08 AM

Our 2012 had the output shaft replaced at around 80,000. Was much more drivable with the Ashcroft unit, and recently we replaced the rear axels with heave duty and the gear stick as the usual lamination failure on the gear knob with an aluminum unit. These were vast improvements in drivability also. But last night my wife was almost home from work (actually on our driveway) when the oil light came and on initial inspection it appears as though there is a filter/O ring failure. Though was only serviced the preceding week. Oil all over the shed floor and none left in the engine. Got just over 130k on clock now. Let’s see what this is going to cost. Also due for a new output seal and a clutch in the not too distant future.

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