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    Puma 2.4 Turbo Split in the Middle

    Driving home last night going up a steep hill, I heard a bang and metal hitting the ground, then loss of power and the turbo was really loud.
    Pulled over and got towed home, I had a look at it got today and I am kind of relieved it is not the internals.

    At the same time it happened the battery light came on in the dash, I am not sure how it can be related unless something else is damaged, I am not sure what got hit by the metal on the way out.

    Now to find a replacement without getting ripped off, and wondering if standard is fine or is there an upgrade.

    Has anyone seen this before (see vid), and are there any special tools required to change it out?

    Cheers Pat

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    Ouch.
    Looks like the hot side of the turbo has detached from the Center (CHRA)? Got any better pictures?
    Some turbos have the intake and exhaust housings attached with a metal band clamp, some are bolted- not sure which the LR has... so that would be a possible failure point. But irrespective, youd have bent turbins shaft, munted compressor wheels etc.

    Battery light was probably a consequence of whatever went FUBAR hitting the alternator harness which is directly in front of the bit that is now hangin in the breeze. Also check for damage there- melting of the loom, or mechanical damage- cut wires etc.
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    Demon Parts
    GTB1749VK CCT Turbo Charger for Landrover Defender 2.2ltr LR042752 788479 × 1
    They should do one for a 2.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger View Post
    Ouch.
    Looks like the hot side of the turbo has detached from the Center (CHRA)? Got any better pictures?
    Some turbos have the intake and exhaust housings attached with a metal band clamp, some are bolted- not sure which the LR has... so that would be a possible failure point. But irrespective, youd have bent turbins shaft, munted compressor wheels etc.

    Battery light was probably a consequence of whatever went FUBAR hitting the alternator harness which is directly in front of the bit that is now hangin in the breeze. Also check for damage there- melting of the loom, or mechanical damage- cut wires etc.
    Thanks for that, I will have a good look tomorrow for more damage.
    There does not seem to be a band clamp, and I have attached another photo and one of the replacement Turbo. It looks like the metal has sheered but it is hard to tell, I will have a better look tomorrow.

    I have found a place on the Gold Coast Turbochargers Australia - Quality Aftermarket Garrett BorgWarner Turbos 24 month Warranty that has a non Garrett, probably chinese raplacement turbo for around $900, this seems to be half the price of a Garrett and I can pick it up tomorrow, 2 yr warranty so might be worth it, it is more the lead time that I am concerned about as I need the car for work. I am just hoping that they are legit.

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    oh... that looks like the bracket that holds the actuator motor has sheared. Not as big of a problem if that's the case. The actuator alters the vane geometry of the turbine to change it's efficiency zones etc. Might have just rattled itself to death- in which case if you can get the thing disassembled, and get the parts somewhere to be welded together, or a new bracket plate cut, you'd probably have it sorted on the cheap.
    -Mitch
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    I got the Turbo out, one of the studs was a real pain, the rest came out easy.
    I think it is has seen better days :-)

    I am hoping the missing bits fell to the ground, I found some small fragments of metal imbedded in the intercooler hose, not sure how I would clean the intercooler out without removing it, maybe stick the shop vac on the hose and see what it pulls out.

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    Oof. Cold side impeller failure.
    I'd be pulling the whole intake system out and flushing it good. If you can get a bore scope into the holes, you will have some extra piece of mind that the engine has ingested anything.
    Inconel turbine blades VS a piston crown will always have the piston come out second best. And that would be an expensive repair.
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    Turbo failures are common on both the Defender 2.4 and 2.2 TDCi models as they are rubbish quality Garrett.
    From memory about 2 years ago Garrett put in for chap. 11 bankruptcy, so the quality is not going to improve.
    All the new Garrett are built in china, hence the failure rates.
    I have fitted numerous turbos for 2.4 and 2.2, most are starting to show issues again after only a year or 2.
    Caterpillar and Ford have had huge failure rates with Garrett.
    You can buy online cheap **** "rebuilt" and "new" chinese ones for as low as $500, good luck with that.

    I have since started to rebuild them using U.K manufactured cores, remanufactured turbo actuators and ceramic coated inlet / exhaust housings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzaTD5 View Post
    Turbo failures are common on both the Defender 2.4 and 2.2 TDCi models as they are rubbish quality Garrett.
    From memory about 2 years ago Garrett put in for chap. 11 bankruptcy, so the quality is not going to improve.
    All the new Garrett are built in china, hence the failure rates.
    I have fitted numerous turbos for 2.4 and 2.2, most are starting to show issues again after only a year or 2.
    Caterpillar and Ford have had huge failure rates with Garrett.
    You can buy online cheap **** "rebuilt" and "new" chinese ones for as low as $500, good luck with that.

    I have since started to rebuild them using U.K manufactured cores, remanufactured turbo actuators and ceramic coated inlet / exhaust housings.
    I noticed when looking for a replacement the Garrett / Honeywell ones were made in China. I ended up ordering a Mellett, not sure if they are any good but from their site they're engineered and manufactured in the UK so here's hoping it lasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patclan View Post
    I noticed when looking for a replacement the Garrett / Honeywell ones were made in China. I ended up ordering a Mellett, not sure if they are any good but from their site they're engineered and manufactured in the UK so here's hoping it lasts.
    The Mellett ones are good, I use the cores for my rebuilds.
    I get some of my turbo parts from Turbo Rebuild limited New & Reconditioned Turbochargers & Turbo Parts
    Regards
    Daz


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