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    Brake upgrades for Defender

    My 2008 Puma 130 is in need of some brake work- I'm looking at replacing rotors all round- and I'm thinking it might be a good time to make some improvements to the brakes. I run 255/85 tyres so have 10% better clearance at the diffs, 10% higher roadspeed per RPM and 10% worse braking compared to the original 7.50R16. Also with 320,000km on the dial, the calipers are worn so the pads have some slack. Wondering what upgrades are available and how people have found them? I'm open to considering something that would give increased rotor diameter and larger swept area if there is something out there, I'm not really up for being a test-bed for a non-sorted setup though. The car does not have ABS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POD View Post
    My 2008 Puma 130 is in need of some brake work- I'm looking at replacing rotors all round- and I'm thinking it might be a good time to make some improvements to the brakes. I run 255/85 tyres so have 10% better clearance at the diffs, 10% higher roadspeed per RPM and 10% worse braking compared to the original 7.50R16. Also with 320,000km on the dial, the calipers are worn so the pads have some slack. Wondering what upgrades are available and how people have found them? I'm open to considering something that would give increased rotor diameter and larger swept area if there is something out there, I'm not really up for being a test-bed for a non-sorted setup though. The car does not have ABS.

    My mate at Vari Brakes will sort you out.

    He makes the big brake kit that I pioneered for the Iveco 4x4 .

    No Defender brake kit listed but its not a problem , wont need sorting its all CAD CNC & Engineering done in simulator.

    Vari - Race Brakes

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    Thanks I will get in touch. I'm reeling from the price list of the various LOF setups, it's a nasty side-effect of ageing that everything is much more expensive than expected. Can't see myself spending what would have to end up in excess of $12k by the time it lands here. Looking into hydroboost also.

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    The stock brakes should be able to easily lock up all four at any speed. If you feel they are not great, then there is something wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red90 View Post
    The stock brakes should be able to easily lock up all four at any speed. If you feel they are not great, then there is something wrong.
    I agree.

    I guess the only query might be if you are always running at GVM, you may feel like you need a bit more stopping power.

    How do the puma defenders get vacuum for braking assistance?

    The TD5 system is integrated in the alternator which is extremely common and pretty reliable, obviously the old 300tdi setup using a standalone pump is not.

    Cheers

    Edit:

    It's a standalone belt driven job.

    I'd be checking how many inHg it's pulling... then go from there.

    Just my thoughts.

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    The LOF option requires, for a Disco at least, wheel spacers, which I believe are Verboten anywhere in Oz for road use. I guess there might be wheel options to get around this, which is more cost. Not sure if this applies to Deefers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    The TD5 system is integrated in the alternator which is extremely common and pretty reliable,
    Can be undone by a small, L shaped hose that is often overlooked as it is hard to see. Once again, on a Disco. Prolly on a Deefer too. A vacuum-less Disco develops a VERY hard pedal once the reserve applications run out. Much harder than, say, my Ford.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red90 View Post
    The stock brakes should be able to easily lock up all four at any speed. If you feel they are not great, then there is something wrong.
    While this is true, they are still a quarter of a century old technology. Modern brakes provide better progression, require less pedal effort AND have much, much better fade resistance, which would benefit ANY Deefer, let alone a laden one.

    It's not only about one stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    While this is true, they are still a quarter of a century old technology. Modern brakes provide better progression, require less pedal effort AND have much, much better fade resistance, which would benefit ANY Deefer, let alone a laden one.

    It's not only about one stop.
    Totally agree; it's not so much a matter of them being no good, as looking at how they might be better- within the limits of a reasonable budget. Also, brakes not only need to convert kinetic energy to heat via friction, they also need to dissipate that heat to the atmosphere effectively to be ready for the next stop. More booster vacuum (or hydraulic pressure) will do the former but won't help with the latter.
    Having said that, the brakes are probably good enough that, if improvements are going to be massive $$$ (by my own definition), I'll overhaul them to the stock level.

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