Thread: new defender engine problem

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I take on board that those were really good engines. I also believe that the 200/300tdi's were really good too. I personally think that a chipped td5 is also really good motor. However the usual crew give it a hard time, but the fact is it's a pretty well known unit now and given these points can provide excellent service. All motors have their good and bad points.

As such, I think the engine in the new defender was a really good choice by LR/ford. I'm sure there will be problems that we will discover in time, but that's life and it isn't a reason not to move forward in the world.

I'm sure it will help a lot of people see beautiful places, and do lots of other more mundane things and that's what LR is all about.

I generally agree with most of this, but saying 300Tdi's are really good is a bit further than I would go.

Since I don't have experience with the puma engine, and have only seen reports, I tend to disagree that the reason for using this engine was to move forward in the world.

The V6 and V8 diesels have been used for a few years in disco 3 and later range rovers, so I doubt it was moving on, to use the (if I recall correctly) older transit engine in the defender.

IMHO it is emissions regulations that brought on the engine changes - otherwise they would still have the 300Tdi.

I had the same problem with my mates new defender I kept going from first to 4th the spring is quite strong but got used to it. if you look at the torque figures and that of the cruiser straight six and that was the engine of the time when rover had the td5 not much difference but miles better fuel consumption, todays diesels are very good and in europe they are leading in the designs they where running common rail for years over there before we got them as our fuel quality was improved to meet emissions standards it has allowed us to run common rail over here.

Originally Posted by Bush65

I generally agree with most of this, but saying 300Tdi's are really good is a bit further than I would go.

Since I don't have experience with the puma engine, and have only seen reports, I tend to disagree that the reason for using this engine was to move forward in the world.

The V6 and V8 diesels have been used for a few years in disco 3 and later range rovers, so I doubt it was moving on, to use the (if I recall correctly) older transit engine in the defender.

IMHO it is emissions regulations that brought on the engine changes - otherwise they would still have the 300Tdi.

yeh i reckon thats part of it....but alot of people will think that the puma is moving on from the 300tdi, it may not be moving on fomr the v6 and v8 in the D3 but then the D3 engine would never of made it into a defender as that would then devalue the D3 which is one of land rovers best selling cars i think.

and what people forget i think is that landrover i believe never had the money to develope a new engine for the defender.....so it was buy what money will allow or can the defender altogether.
they have to be seen to be developing, leaving the TD5 there wasn't going to do it cant imagine anyone paying the money for a new defender just for a new dash and a 6 speed box with just a td5 in it.

Originally Posted by Bush65

I generally agree with most of this, but saying 300Tdi's are really good is a bit further than I would go.

Since I don't have experience with the puma engine, and have only seen reports, I tend to disagree that the reason for using this engine was to move forward in the world.

The V6 and V8 diesels have been used for a few years in disco 3 and later range rovers, so I doubt it was moving on, to use the (if I recall correctly) older transit engine in the defender.

IMHO it is emissions regulations that brought on the engine changes - otherwise they would still have the 300Tdi.

Whats wrong with the 300?.All it needs is the puma VVT. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

Whats wrong with the 300?.All it needs is the puma VVT. Pat

Just a tweak and it is plenty good enough for most people but the VVT would be nice.

Problem with the TD5 is it's intricate electronics which were designed a long time ago when electronics were still unreliable.

Yes people have worked around these problems but the solutions are not always cheap.

The core engine is good but the main issue with 4wd's has always been with electrical systems.........and without electricity you have no electrickery.

Renders one of these new fangled gadgets back to being a pile of metal and plastic sitting on the side of the road until you can get a electrics happening again which normally means replacing something due to the non servicable electronic parts.

Doesnt matter what motor it is, if there is no volts there is no go no matter the brand, size, type or colour.

As far as the choice of engine goes, there has been very few reports of trouble with the TDV6 in the D3 and I would have loved to see that engine in the more basic Deefa drivetrain but I think the Puma engine is a good choice.

Aussie post has been thrashing them for a long time and they take a bit to break them, there will always be teething problems with a new model, I think all of you guys that have bought them are brave but I suppose someone has to or else they wont make them anymore.

Everything is going that way so Im just stock pileing parts for my D1 300Tdi and will be keeping that for as long as I can.

I'm afraid the reason of "product differentiation" will mean you will never see the d3 engines in the defender. That's the same reason why the td5 was nobbled in the defender as opposed to the discovery.

It was my understanding that Ford were intending to finish the defender in 2011 and replace it with the cheaper/"more defenderish" version of the D3, and that the "puma" would see the defender out.

I have no idea what will happen now Tata own it.

Originally Posted by PAT303

Whats wrong with the 300?.All it needs is the puma VVT. Pat

Originally Posted by mcrover

Just a tweak and it is plenty good enough for most people but the VVT would be nice.
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They are good enough for most, and better with a VVT. But I don't rate them really good (even with a VVT).

I had a 300Tdi with VVT in my rangie. Now in the process of swapping in a honest, really good diesel. And VVT's are so 2000, so that had to go as well

Originally Posted by mcrover

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Doesnt matter what motor it is, if there is no volts there is no go no matter the brand, size, type or colour.
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I have a 4BD1-T that disagrees with you - would need to be bump started though

Originally Posted by Bush65

They are good enough for most, and better with a VVT. But I don't rate them really good (even with a VVT).

I had a 300Tdi with VVT in my rangie. Now in the process of swapping in a honest, really good diesel. And VVT's are so 2000, so that had to go as well


I have a 4BD1-T that disagrees with you - would need to be bump started though

4BD1's are so 1980's......

I was talking about electronically controlled injection/comon rail.......

I thought if you read the post you would have seen that.