Reply With QuotePenty of people have modified the seat rails in earlier Deefers, the current one shouldn't be too hard.
As for shoulder room, not much you can do about that. It is one of the reasons I have a Classic Rangie rather than a Defender.
Master
Hi,
Is there any way of modifying the seat rails in the new Defenders to increase driver leg-room (and belly room)?
Any of you had a problem fitting behind the wheel or closing the doors.....?
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Penty of people have modified the seat rails in earlier Deefers, the current one shouldn't be too hard.
As for shoulder room, not much you can do about that. It is one of the reasons I have a Classic Rangie rather than a Defender.
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Make some rails to lift and move the seat back or get some "MUD Rails" from the UK which are already done.Originally Posted by Leo
The width of the cab is another story, the only defender (or Series since 1958) with shoulder room are the Perentie 6 X 6 and they are not being released from the Army for a while yet.
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Swaggie
SubscriberDo a search for MUD rails (in the UK).
They make them for all models of Defender
Master
Thanks for the tips guys. I've checked out 'MUD rails' website and they do make rails for the newer Defenders.
We need to choose between Defenders and some other make for work cars and one of the issues raised by drivers was the width and leg room. Some of our lads are 'not small' lol.
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Mud rails from what I can see lift the seat.. not ideal for a tall driver.
Steering wheel gets in the way, fixable with an aftermarket jobbie.
I still have trouble with the stalks.............
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Yes, and there are also several ways of modifying the driver to create more "belly room".
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i have one set of unused mud rails i am thinking of selling.....
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I am new to LR, and do not understand what is underneath the front seats. Why is there a bulkhead there? What is underneath the car in that section? Will this limitation be looked at in the next model???
Are the mud rails safe - particularly in an accident?
Are there any alternatives? Has anyone customised the front seats at authorised/accredited automotive seat specialists? What is the cost?
What kind of average height do the default seat settings cater for?
How is there a lack of shoulder room?
Why would LR bother putting in Recaros in their 60th Anniversary model when there are such limitations in seat travel????
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Max they change the angle of the seat base from angled (with the back lower than the front) to the horizontal position. The seat is then fixed rearwards about 2". The result it that the front of the squab is only about 1" higher than original but compensated by its rearward movement. You end up with about 3" of extra leg room, while the head room is not compromised because of the slop of the forward section of the roof.
The design of the front seat base is archaic from the 1957 design of the Series II Land Rover (still unchanged and interchangeable), originally in the SII the fuel tank was situated under the front seat and remains there for the Defender 90. In the station wagon models it was an empty space although in the Defender wagons there are a lot of electrics under there.
Will they change it with the next model. They haven't changed it for 50 years - what would make you assume they'll change it now?
Just for your interest, the Santana company who assembled LR under licence and now produce the IVECO Massiff on the Land Rover basis have had a flat floor under the front seats for years.
they are approved under UK and Euro standards.<snip> ... Are the mud rails safe - particularly in an accident?...<snip>
your shoulder is pressing against the "B" pillar. They should have added 6" to the width of the body shell rather than adding 2 X 3" mudguard flares when they went to the Range Rover track in the County 90/110/120 models.<snip> ... How is there a lack of shoulder room?... <snip>
For the same reason they produced the SIII game, it was designed by marketing execs using available after-market components and not automotive designers making new components.
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