Thread: why a 110??

auto not available in a fender?

similar Q with tdi's, i was looking at a disco, air-com/comfort for the family but i could not resist when i sore my fender as it had planty of bolt on's and more storage space

Originally Posted by shorty

I am after some practical reasons why a 110 over a D2.

Very few! Over a D1, maybe loadspace.

110
Worse turning circle, less carpark friendly.
Older 110 - worse aircon - dunno about the latest ones.
No automatic option.
Noisier.
Less passenger room.
Less comfortable.
Did I mention noisier?
Fewer safety features, e.g., SRS.
Water leaks.
At night, multiple reflections from vertical rear window.

D2
More expensive wheel bearings.
More electronics

D2
- Smaller standard tyres (235/70R16 - 110 has 235/85R16).
+ Auto Transmission available
+/- Smaller weelbase (100" as opposed to 110")
- Less cargo area by a long way
+ Quieter, more creature comforts, good climate control system
- Not as good off-road out of the box, but still very capable

110 (Td5)
- Little to no sound proofing to the cabin
+ Better wheel articulation
+ Much easier to modify the interior to suit your needs
+ Longer wheel base
+ Lower gear ratios
- Poor heating and cooling of cabin
+ Better approach and departure angles
+ Lot lighter construction so better in the soft stuff
+ 1t payload capacity (nothing else on the market has that)
+ Heavier suspension

I know I've left out a few things

As dm_td5 says, the basic difference is that the 110 is bigger, more rugged, and carries more, and the D2 is more comfortable. If you need the carrying capacity, there is no choice. If you don't need that capacity, you have the choice of vehicles.

The D2 shares few components except the engine and transmission with other models. The 110 has had much the same body, chassis, and suspension for twenty-five years, and shares many parts with the RR Classic and D1. This means that parts for the D2 are generally more expensive and long term are likely to be harder to find, but as against that some parts may last longer. (some don't - e.g. the rubber coupling on the prop shaft) Being a basically older design, the 110 has smaller replaceable components - e.g. replace wheel bearings not hubs as for D2.

John

Graham is a very experienced adventure and loves Defenders. I think that he is a member of AURLO and he is in Expedition Portal forum as well
Have a look his page and why a Defender HERE.
I can send you a CD with heaps of images of Defenders setup for long expeditions and you would see the advantages of the 110 and 130’s Defes.
I think that even the RR Classic is a better option than a Disco just based on room alone.
You know Justin’s RR so I do not need to tell you my arguments in favor of the RR agains the Disco
The Defe is the best choice regarding simplicity, payload and room, second is the RRC for me.
Cheers

Thanks for the link Arthur. Great read and well decked out 110's.

I have so many thought patterns and ideas, will have to sleep on it for a while. I have a really bad habit of buying cars and then 6 or 12 months later swapping them for something else as I didnt really think things out so well in the first place.

The next ride will hopefuly be my last purchase for a while, so I want to research it fully and bas emy decison on a 'best suits my needs' basis and not some tricked up truck that looks great.

First and foremost, it has to be comfortable, be suitable for use as the family taxi and then be competent to hook the camper trailer up and head away for a weekend or a month.

so many choices

Mark if you idea is doing some long trips in the future and be able to take a lots of gear with you, for me the Defe is the way to go.
There are heap of very good pages on the net about Defenders and adventures and how these vehicles have been setup.
This is a current adventure and nice reading:
NESSIESADVENTURES

Cheers

You can't rest a stubbie on the guard of a D2. :-)