So the PUMA goes back to the garage again tomorrow

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Originally Posted by JohnR

Yes they do have a water filter, catcher thingy? I empty mine quite often and I do get a fair bit of water out of it? If your looking for it it is just infront of the rear drivers side wheel and it has two turn buckle knobs that remove the protective shield and then get a glass jar and open the big plastic knobby on the bottom keep going untill you see deisel. It can be quite scary the first time you do it as you get loks of water and lots of crappy **** that looks organic?

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Chin up Dullbird, just keep telling yourself its still under warranty and they will fix all these problems at their cost :) I would suggest they are doing their best as someone that runs a workshop I can not EVER see a reason to not fix something just so it comes back again, it just doesn't make sence to do this.

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Thanks John

My only woes......I don't want to go through the hole having to prove it wasn't our fault again!! So I hope people can understand my defensiveness over things. They tried to blame us once before and we almost had a 10grand claim through the insurance....( no joke the assessor was waiting on the other end of the phone for the go ahead)..until I tracked down the all important paper work from the uk,

when someone says to you hey its your fuel filter and you have been off road (when we haven't) of course I'm getting the weapons out as I can only feel from personal experience that again we are being put in the spot light once again for causing the issues that are very much not our fault

I think that the "fit for purpose" rule might apply here.

Why isn't a vehicle that looks like it belongs in a paddock not able to be driven there ?

Mine has been driven there why can't yours?

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Originally Posted by dullbird

Well I dont know dave you tell how I'm supposed to know whether or not they change all these things....yes yes ask for the parts sometimes we pick the car up on closing not always possible! it would be pretty stupid for them not to change them as it would only cost them more money. as they can't really go and change them again, we have had the pump changed twice (or maybe we didn't)
Have to say dave I love your posts your for ever telling the worst cases and that things weren't changed.....how about some good news i have enough negativity involved with this car and land rover at the moment:(

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the good news is Im about to let you in on one of my secrets...... and something thats blindingly obvious.


the obvious, you're on aulro so you have acess to all the info you could ever need as far as anything mechanical goes. Information grants power and ability.

my secret a paint pen.

gather the info on what a likely fault item might be. then put paint pen marks to identify alignment and security of the items. IF I know something is ment to be changed I'll even go to the effort of putting witness marks into it with a center punch

Id love to be able to offer more but Im at the distinct disadvantage of my sum total experience with the engine is less than 120minutes and none of that was doing diagnostics work or spannering so I dont know its nuaces and Im relying on generic principals instead of R/l experience.

end of the day, the pistons are still moving, the cranks still turning so its not dead yet, it just needs a little time at the trauma unit.

you can swap the filter element over for one that has the cav type filter bowl on the bottom I know I just finished replumbing fozzy and now I have 4 filters all that handle water seperation. the common filtration levels are 100,50,30,20,10,5 micron but you can now get 1 micron in that setup.


or you can put a fuel water seperator in as a "before filter" item and they offer no resistance to fuel flow. relying on what is mainly an upside down funnel in a jar the fuel flows over the outside of the funnel cascades down the edge of the jar then turns around and flows up the inside of the funnel. water being heavier than diesel seperates off at the turn and sinks to the bottom of the bowl. Really good ones also have a spiral action so that centrifigual action assists in the seperation.

Can I say too that if dealers invoice manufacturers for new warranty parts from cars all the brands I've been involved in have to send all the parts back, or put them at the dealer and they are audited periodically.

There may be crooked dealers out there but I'm sure they wouldn't last long!

Just to point out to those who don't know the Puma very well and to expand on what JohnR and DB posted.

The Puma has a fuel filter on the chassis rail above the front of the driver's side rear wheel. Its protected by a metal shroud that is easily removed and has a central plastic drain cap on the bottom. Very similar in appearance to the Td5 in many ways. The difference though is that it incorporates a water separator and is a 5 micron filter, it also has a domed top with a threaded central shaft that locates and holds it in place. The whole domed portion thus locates in to the top housing on the chassis. There is no visible gasket on the top of the filter and the bottom drain has a small rubber gasket around the shaft of the drain plug.

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Originally Posted by PAT303

The one problem I have with engine knocks is that they are very common in most or if not all new T/D's.Why that is I don't know but the D4D is renowned for it and the three I have had for work vehicles rattled quite badly,one was almost like detonation at start up.Does the engine knock when cold or all the time?. Pat

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I'm just about to be rid of my work Hilux - on a cold morning you would swear it was full of marbles, it's noisy enough that people will stare at you as you pass them. Firstly Toyota couldn't find a problem, left it overnight with them, but they still couldn't find a problem (deaf mechanic ??). At the next service they did "an injector flush and reset" (whatever that is). It was supposed to take around 1000km before they settled down, well the noise is still there maybe not quite as bad but still noisy.

Part of the problem is the noise goes fairly quickly when the engine gets a bit of heat (say 3-4km), definitely worse the colder the weather (this weekend up Tamworth way should be good)

The thing is out of the 7 hiluxes we have mine is the only noisy one. (if you discount the squealing clutches)


Martyn

Ok so Ian text me this morning we still have the engine rattle....surprise surprise. I feel slightly insulted when they thought they had cleared it because of a blocked fuel filter....when even I could of told them there and then that it wouldn't solve the problem the car is now on its third filter hence how I know it wouldn't of been that. But we have to try these things....

That one was at our expense though thats the frustrating thing 160 bux for a filter:(

Did you have the chance to read THIS ?

Looks like that in UK LR treat the customers better :(

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Did you have the chance to read THIS ?

Looks like that in UK LR treat the customers better :(

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Looks like HansV has possible found a solution - the dealers sound just as bad.

Geez DB, hope you get it sorted, just read this whole thread. Not good and has put me off a Puma a bit.
It is a shame LRA have become what they have. When we bout the Disco in 97 had no drama with any warranty work at all, but there was nothing like yours. The dealer was excellent as well, it is a shame they have gone out of business (Gold City Land Rover Kalgoorlie). We always had a loan car free and never got charged for fuel even when we had to take one back to Kambalda for the weekend (130). Usually we would get the Demo (Disco / Freelander etc) and if there was no demo they just grabbed a sedan off the lot.
Hope you get it sorted and you should not be out of pocket for warranty stuff.