Another Defender at Pickles,only 7700km but a bit worse for wear.

**Captain_Rightfoot** · 13th May 2009, 11:45 PM

I'm surprised that it doesn't say black and red cloth

It's interesting. I'm sure there are LOTS more td5's fenders out there than there are pumas so far but the pumas seem to be having the rollovers. Pumas get a rear swaybar whereas td5's don't have one.

Maybe with the swaybar they load up the outside back more, limiting understeer and making them feel better in corners. Perhaps this encourages people to go harder until the back snaps out by which time there isn't anything that can be done. Perhaps it promotes "tank slappers".

In theory, without a rear swaybar the td5 should understeer more and earlier as in a corner the outside front will cop the heaviest load on the car. I know my car understeers on bitumen.

It seems to make sense ?

**Bigbjorn** · 14th May 2009, 07:01 AM

Looks like a classic 4WD "roundabout rollover". There are usually one or two or more at every damaged vehicle auction. Gone over the left front onto the tops of the left front guard and cab.

**solmanic** · 14th May 2009, 07:49 AM

At least a few of the roll-overs we have seen come through have been brand new cars with hardly anything on the clock. Is it test drivers, dealers and press that are tipping so many over?

**Captain_Rightfoot** · 14th May 2009, 07:53 AM

I know what it is. It is defender people buying Pumas and then blasting along and arriving at corners 30k too fast because they are so quiet!

**dullbird** · 14th May 2009, 09:14 AM

or because they are usure which gear to select as there are too many

**eksjay** · 14th May 2009, 11:56 AM

There are far too many people who drive a 4WD like a car. I have had a couple of near misses in tight bush tracks with idiots coming round a blind bend at full speed.

Even in open country, people with limited experience do not realise that the smallest pot hole could upturn their car in a flash, or a slick surface can turn them 180 degrees with total loss of control.

I recall some of my mistakes when I first started out, but they were small in comparison to the stuff I have seen from others.

A 4WD is a very capable car if handled properly, or a loaded weapon ready to backfire if mistreated.

**Bigbjorn** · 14th May 2009, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by solmanic

At least a few of the roll-overs we have seen come through have been brand new cars with hardly anything on the clock. Is it test drivers, dealers and press that are tipping so many over?

I suspect it is the private school mums haring into a roundabout at the same speed as they drove the Beemer or the Volvo. Next they know, full plough understeer and they whack on more RH lock to try to turn and up and over the left front corner she goes.

**PAT303** · 14th May 2009, 08:30 PM

Overconfidence.I drive my defender ALOT faster on dirt roads then any of the work tojo's,I don't do it because I can but because it handles so much better it lures me in. Pat

**scarry** · 14th May 2009, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by PAT303

Overconfidence.I drive my defender ALOT faster on dirt roads then any of the work tojo's,I don't do it because I can but because it handles so much better it lures me in. Pat

X2,
I find this happens with the D2,particularly when loaded.
I am no racing car driver,but i find i can drive the D2 faster on dirt roads than any other car i have ever driven.
Its the breaking distances you have to be real careful with as the ABS doesnt help on the dirt ,particularly in a staight line.IMO

A mate of mine works in the mine near Weipa & they have had the lowluxes detuned as there were to many accidents on the dirt roads.

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