Thread: Rumour 2.2

Originally Posted by inside

They should have put the 2.2 from FL2 in it from the start. More power and torque and has had next to no reliability issues. However the Defender is a world car and is required to run on some quite average diesel something modern diesels can't handle.

Whose 2.2 litre diesel engine is used in the Freelander 2?

Is it a BMW engine, from before they sold Land Rover to Ford?

Just waiting for one of you "Landy-Ladies" to write in and remind us that size is'nt everything.

What you really want under the hood is a Stirling Engine . They can run just on the heat of your hand.

Check it out on wikipedia.

'The Stirling engine is noted for its high efficiency, quiet operation, and the ease with which it can utilize almost any heat source. This compatibility with alternative and renewable energy sources has become increasingly significant as the price of conventional fuels rises, and also in light of concerns such as peak oil and climate change.'

Originally Posted by Bush65

Whose 2.2 litre diesel engine is used in the Freelander 2?

Is it a BMW engine, from before they sold Land Rover to Ford?

It's a Peugeot/Ford engine, same factory that makes the TDV6, TDV8 and the new TDV6 in the D4. The 2.2L is also sold in the Ford Mondeo. Part of the agreement with the sale to TATA was that Ford get to continue to supply engines.

The 2.2L is a fantastic engine and I believe an excellent fit for the Defender. Maybe they could fit the equally excellent 6 speed auto in it too? People go on about wanting the TDV6 on a Defender, it only has 40Nm more torque and weighs/costs a lot more, the 2.2L makes more sense.

Originally Posted by inside

It's a Peugeot/Ford engine, same factory that makes the TDV6, TDV8 and the new TDV6 in the D4. The 2.2L is also sold in the Ford Mondeo. Part of the agreement with the sale to TATA was that Ford get to continue to supply engines.

The 2.2L is a fantastic engine and I believe an excellent fit for the Defender. Maybe they could fit the equally excellent 6 speed auto in it too? People go on about wanting the TDV6 on a Defender, it only has 40Nm more torque and weighs/costs a lot more, the 2.2L makes more sense.

Isn't the TDV8 a Rover motor?

The 2.2 might make only 40Nm less than the TDV6, but it will deliver its torque a lot differently. I've got no doubt it'll be a bit like the Patrol 3.0TD and 4.2TD. Both produce similar outright figures, but the 4.2TD has all of the low down lugging torque

Originally Posted by Slunnie

Isn't the TDV8 a Rover motor?

I could be wrong there. Wikipedia does say its a "further adaptation" of the TDV6.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

The 2.2 might make only 40Nm less than the TDV6, but it will deliver its torque a lot differently. I've got no doubt it'll be a bit like the Patrol 3.0TD and 4.2TD. Both produce similar outright figures, but the 4.2TD has all of the low down lugging torque

Max torque is at similar points 1900rpm v 2000rpm but I agree the torque would be more linear in the V6. Variable geometry turbos do help the torque delivery in modern diesels though. Does the transit engine have one?

IMO just be done with it and put the supercharged V8 in, just to compete with the G Wagen that will hopefully be with us in the near future.

I'm not sure. I didn't realise that the TV6/8 were related, but thats not to say much.

I agree, just fit the Rover big block!

Yep... TDV6 & 8 are related.

TDV6 came out of the work with Ford & PSG. However, PSG didn't see a requirement for the TDV8 so they let Ford/JLR get on with it themselves.

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