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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    How so ??

    My 1500kg LandRover has a 28.8 kwh pack , I recently installed a kwh meter on the circuit I use to charge the vehicle, so that I can calculate the precise km per kWh.

    So the first time I charged via the meter I used 15.8kwh for 56km = 34kwh / 100km (and I certainly don't drive to maximise range)

    A Nissan Leaf gets 18kwh /100km Tesla Model S is quoted at 20kwh /100km (probably driven carefully)

    So lets say I converted a MiniMoke used the same 28.8 kwh Pack which would still fit nicely , I could use a less powerful motor for the same oomph & the car would weigh less than 1000kg , The range would inversely proportional to the decrease in weight and drag, probably more like 18-20kwh / 100km than my 33kwh/100km
    If you can charge a 28.8kWh pack at say 5kW you can charge a 57.6kWh pack at 10kW (assuming parallel packs) and not stress the batteries. The twice bigger pack does not halve the range. Apart from the increase in road friction from a heavier battery, most of the time you would be able to recover more energy with regen braking than from a lighter pack. So a bigger battery can be given more range per hour of charging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    since we are also talking about Motorcycles Dr Chris Jones (referred to in above article) is a bit of a Legend in that regard

    Chris is developing the Voltron Evo , check it out (mixing it with ICE bikes) - also check the amps regen under braking

    A few years ago I watched a program on the Discovery Channel about electric motorcycles racing at the Isle of Mann.
    They were crackin, 200 kph plus and just a whisper and a rush of air as they flashed by.
    One guy had been playing with designing and building them since as far back as the 1970's.

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    I wonder if these longer refill/recharge times compared to ICE vehicles will see a resurgence of the "Roadhouse" and their dining rooms while people are waiting for the top up.

    Cheers, Mick.
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    So the world's best-selling EV is not a Tesla, but the Nissan Leaf, with 360,000 sold.
    The new Leaf is coming to Oz next year for about $50k, which is middle of the pack for a new vehicle.
    It will have a 40 kw electric system with a range stated at 270 km for Australia and about 350 km for Europe. It can recharge to 80% in 60 minutes.
    So, is it a viable vehicle?
    I think it would work fine for us around the city and on our regular trips to Maleny and Lismore.
    On longer trips we would need recharging stops. To visit family in Coffs we would need to recharge, probably at Lismore or Ballina.
    To visit our oldest son in Sydney we would need to recharge three times, probably at Lismore or Ballina, Coffs and Taree. So let's say three stops for two hours each to get full 270km range. So I estimate 15 hours Brisbane-Sydney.
    In our Mazda 2 or Defender we normally stop twice for rests and for one fuel stop. So let's say 11 hours.
    So Brisbane-Sydney would be four hours longer in a Leaf, but still doable in a day.
    So EVs are getting competitive.

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    EV's ... Alternative Energies ??

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    So the world's best-selling EV is not a Tesla, but the Nissan Leaf, with 360,000 sold.
    The new Leaf is coming to Oz next year for about $50k, which is middle of the pack for a new vehicle.
    It will have a 40 kw electric system with a range stated at 270 km for Australia and about 350 km for Europe. It can recharge to 80% in 60 minutes.
    So, is it a viable vehicle?
    I think it would work fine for us around the city and on our regular trips to Maleny and Lismore.
    On longer trips we would need recharging stops. To visit family in Coffs we would need to recharge, probably at Lismore or Ballina.
    To visit our oldest son in Sydney we would need to recharge three times, probably at Lismore or Ballina, Coffs and Taree. So let's say three stops for two hours each to get full 270km range. So I estimate 15 hours Brisbane-Sydney.
    In our Mazda 2 or Defender we normally stop twice for rests and for one fuel stop. So let's say 11 hours.
    So Brisbane-Sydney would be four hours longer in a Leaf, but still doable in a day.
    So EVs are getting competitive.
    Are the charge points on car universal? Can a Leaf be charged at a Tesla station?

    Are there currently quick charge stations at Lismore, ballina and Taree

    15hrs to Sydney....that’s a long day if charging station are available......imagine if there is a line up, you can fuel a lot of cars in two hours.

    We would consider an electric car for running around Brisbane.....I think it’s a long way off for interstate trips for those like us that still work and only have limited holidays. Loosing one day to charge....doesn’t excite me.

    $20k v $50k.....can buy a whole lot of fuel for $30k

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    Not many EVs around so it's highly unlikely another would already be using a charging point. They will use 15 amp charge points or normal power points I believe.

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    Just had a quick look......fast chargers as few and far between and the one near Taree is at a winery with opening closing times. Others appear off the main hi-way which adds time.......In some cases you will need to plan your trip around opening hours.

    More charging points than I thought, Murphy’s law others ie locals will be charging as you pass through town.

    Be interesting how many dong the long distances up and down the east coast.

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    EV's ... Alternative Energies ??

    Looking a bit more into the app I remembered a BMW getting a charge at Springer, this would be the day that I was visiting, staff were very excited.

    I do remember dad in front seat and at least one young kid in the back seat sitting there passing time


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