Thread: Saving the World with hydrogen just took a step closer

Originally Posted by 3toes

Saw a paper the other day that said it takes 14 trucks to make a hydrogen refuelling station viable. They are working on bringing this down to 7.

I saw another few billion "Bosch To Invest $1.3 Billion In Hydrogen Technology By 2025"

Bosch is still heavily involved in hardware and has been working on hydrogen fuel cell systems for some time. The company was an early investor in Nikola Motors. Bosch is supplying the fuel cell system and electric propulsion being used in some of Nikola’s upcoming long-haul trucks. The German supplier also produces the four electric motors used in the Rivian R1T and R1S as well as offering a range of electric drive units with integrated gearboxes and power electronics for commercial vehicles.
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The story has a interesting 2010 flip from we have all heard about "Bosch was (and is) a major supplier of diesel systems including fuel injection and exhaust after-treatment. By the end of 2015, when it was discovered that Volkswagen and other automakers had been cheating on diesel emissions the demand for diesel components collapsed in favor of a shift toward electrification.".

The electrolysis of water to Hydrogen part is oddly it is a bit player I think. Without sufficient cheap electricity it is electrolysis is not always efficient and ability to go large scale is highly questionable.

I think Bosch and the rest are carefully waiting watching a large scale Demonstration plant in Western Australia just south of Perth myself.

Story about hydrogen trucks that have been in use for a few years and based on experience being rolled out further

Hyundai hydrogen-fueled trucks making inroads in Europe -
Nikkei Asia

Originally Posted by 3toes

Story about hydrogen trucks that have been in use for a few years and based on experience being rolled out further

Hyundai hydrogen-fueled trucks making inroads in Europe -
Nikkei Asia

A company I hold a few of- NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE and it did do a belly flop plus after listing
It seems to be doing ok now or is it just hot air?

I

"Nikola Adds 51 Dealership Locations in 9 States

Nikola announces expansion of its current Nikola dealer sales and service network with the addition of five dealers covering key territories.
Published July 15, 2021


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It claims to or hopes to be "a leading designer and manufacturer of heavy-duty commercial battery-electric vehicles (BEV), fuel-cell electric vehicles (FCEV) and energy infrastructure solutions,"

It was almost a billion in a SPAC listing event which was sunny for a few weeks for me before going in to a melt down for a while

Building it BIG is a interesting topic. South OZ headline

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‘Ambitious’: World’s largest hydrogen plant to be built in South Australia
23 hours ago



South Australian Premier Peter Malinauskas has spruiked his government’s $593 million green hydrogen plant to be built in Whyalla but says the plan does not come without risk.
The world’s largest hydrogen plant is set to be built in South Australia.
The government-funded project has attracted interest from 60 organisations around Australia and globally.
Mr Malinauskas said the plant is scheduled to be operational by the end of 2025.
He said it will alleviate pressure on the state’s energy system but “is not going to solve every problem”.
“It is an ambitious policy – it’s not without a degree of risk in a policy sense but also in a technical sense,” he told Sky News Australia.
“But everything that has happened since our election four-five months ago, has actually given me even greater confidence that our ambitions are able to be realised – principally because of the international interest.”

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We shall see…

Lots of lip service around here. Hope it comes to fruition; until construction begins I’ll reserve judgement.

** Trigger warning : The following is a work of fiction created by someone who has no background in power engineering, chemistry or physics and drives a diesel vehicle. Allegedly....

Translation : "We have no ****ing idea how to actually make Hydrogen in any viable manner that doesn't involve separating it from **** we dig/suck out of the ground, but if/when we ever figure it out then we want SA to be at the forefront. In the mean time, we'll continue to pretend Hydrogen is "green" and keep trying to convince the suckers it's the way forward while we suffer some of the highest electricity costs in the world because while we continue to dig/suck stuff out of the ground to create "green" hydrogen, we don't actually burn it directly and therefore are saving the world. Of course the electricity we use to dig/suck the stuff out of the ground is sustainably sourced (or would be if we could figure out how to make a wind turbine that made more energy than it took to create and install') but we won't talk about that because it might upset the suckers/taxpayers/voters who subsidize our outrageous power costs".

Another few million plus in the spreadsheet and possibly my bank balance - its shipping at one level And a GAS at another Provaris’ $4.5 billion

Tiwi Hydrogen Project Awarded Major Project Status



24 August 2022


An export green hydrogen project on the Tiwi Islands is building momentum, with the Northern Territory Government announcing it has gained Major Project Status.
Provaris’ $4.5 billion Tiwi H2 (Hydrogen) Project has the potential to be a first-mover in the world’s transition from fossil fuels to zero-carbon energy, and will demonstrate the commercial advantages of compressed hydrogen production and export from the Northern Territory to markets in the Asia-Pacific region.

Major Project Status recognises the significant, positive and enduring impact Tiwi H2 will have on the Territory’s economy.
The project is estimated to create 500 jobs during construction and 100 positions once operational, with a lifespan of 30 years.
Tiwi H2 is strategically located on the Tiwi Islands - the traditional lands of the Munupi people. The project utilises existing plantation and industrial land to create jobs and income for the Tiwi people.
The Tiwi H2 Project intends to use solar energy to produce up to 100,000 tonnes per annum of green hydrogen for export markets, using Provaris’ proprietary GH2 Carriers for shipping to the Asia-Pacific region. The Tiwi Islands have existing port infrastructure and an industrial precinct at Port Melville providing a competitive advantage to export to the region. link to NT announcement

Nice when you have owned a little bit for a fair while


NT hydrogen project given special status | The West Australian


Nicer ++++++ in another C02 free Nuclear power with Japan, US, India and more news going nuclear as well as Hydrogen

HVO another way hydrogen can be used to make fuel.....Hydrotreated vegetable oil - Wikipedia

Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil (HVO) is a biofuel made by the hydrocracking or hydrogenation of vegetable oil. Hydrocracking breaks big molecules into smaller ones using hydrogen while hydrogenation adds hydrogen to molecules. These methods can be used to create substitutes for gasoline, diesel, propane, kerosene and other chemical feedstock. Diesel fuel produced from these sources is known as green diesel or renewable diesel.
Diesel fuel created by Hydrotreating is called green diesel and is distinct from the biodiesel made through esterification.