Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Tombie

Chatting with an owner, perhaps you can confirm…

Tesla Model 3 Long Range.

Owner says he was told / recommended to use 80-90% charge to help preserve the battery life. Supercharging is hard on the battery and shortens this life if used regularly and a 7kwh is the preferred option?

In 3 years and nearing 100,000km he’s down 15% below the claimed range (according to dash) and in reality gets less than that with 400-425km the normal (quoted 629km)

This vehicle is used regularly for runs to his shack up here near Whyalla from Adelaide, so for those runs is charged to 100% and he’s getting close to not making it on a single charge. Eg, once he gets to the shack he’s on charge overnight before he heads into town. His solution is a small 4cyl runabout for when he gets here.

He loves the power, handling and comfort. And back home it’s perfect for him - he has an 18kwh array and 3 Tesla batteries on his house so no charge issues.

My question: Are people really willing to accept spending such money on a vehicle that is <80% capable of its claim and then within 5 years is even less capable again?

People went mental when phones started losing charge capacity. These current EVs don’t even seem to start with the capability claimed and slide quite notably from there.

I’m also puzzled how one of the big statistics companies quotes (USD) a Tesla annual maintenance cost about 15-20% higher than the average of other similar sized vehicles? Besides a check over, maybe some greasing, battery coolant service etc. what’s the annual cost?

Sure, tyres, what else? And at end of warranty kms allow a full suspension replacement - that’s just wear and tear and should be done…

Did a longer drive in our car yesterday. May I ask that you as your mate to look at the energy monitor screen, and click "rated" and since charge? That should show where the power is going.

If there isn't any update in there then do the battery check in service menu.

Of course the easiest thing is to spray the FUD!

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

Allegedly it was a Range Rover not BMW.

No doubt the story will change 6 more times yet….

Allegedly a diesel Range Rover. Supposedly caught on dash cam, early in the incident.
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If the claims and photos are to be believed, it could be a hybrid battery fire.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Jeep's are a huge scam but suckers seem to fall for that one as well.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Jeep's are a huge scam but suckers seem to fall for that one as well.

Add Nickle, Graphite and a staggering amount of copper. Not just for EVs of course. On a share spruiking site topic on my favorite Poo to money hydrogen stock I added I had not seen before today

" "the EU's Renewable Energy Directive explicitly
necessitates that 42% of industrial hydrogen must be green by 2030, with a goal of reaching 60% by 2035.
Additionally, the directive underscores that 1% of all fuels used in 2030 must be Renewable Fuels of Non-Biological origin." from a PV1 report link" It has "Nearly half a trillion euros are needed to kickstart the hydrogen economyClean hydrogen presents tremendous opportunities for investors, but technological and regulatory uncertainty presents a challenge"

As the fight between anti Nuclear and pro nuclear power Germany and France is an ongoing boxing match the massive amount of Power required for their electrolysis plans may make charging a car in the EU rather expensive!

How much Hydrogen is existing use?

On Jeeps. My one drive of a super duper unable to get over a small grass lump still makes me laugh every time I drive past that spot

On EVs a Massive spike followed by a massive fall was all to do with hand outs given then taken away

"German EV Sales Plummet In September 2023 After Incentive Cuts" Link

Ying and Yang?

EDIT some of my nuclear miners use ISR ( In Situ Recovery some times called In-situ leaching (ISL))

A rumor has it that tech is about to start in some other mining sectors including one or two list. Thats is not really just a rumor

ISR mining is MUCH cheaper than huge conventional open pit mines. I doesn't work everywhere as it requires a certain geology.

Edit 2 Giant Lithium miner blocked from buying an Australian asset by a person here

other share holders my not be as happy with knocking back a 100% gain from the rejected offer!

Big News Trend setters

"Victorian electric car owners win High Court challenge against controversial tax

" Victorian electric car owners win High Court challenge against controversial tax - ABC News
Do I get my money back now

Can that crew take the Vic gov to High court re Doctors, Dentists, Physios....... and Payroll tax next?

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Big News Trend setters

"Victorian electric car owners win High Court challenge against controversial tax

" Victorian electric car owners win High Court challenge against controversial tax - ABC News
Do I get my money back now

Can that crew take the Vic gov to High court re Doctors, Dentists, Physios....... and Payroll tax next?

So it looks only the Feds can levy a user tax like that?
So the Feds need to abolish all fuel excise and levy a per km rate on ALL vehicles in OZ, to make it fair for everyone.... EVs are getting a "free ride" on our roads at the moment....

Originally Posted by cjc_td5

So it looks only the Feds can levy a user tax like that?
So the Feds need to abolish all fuel excise and levy a per km rate on ALL vehicles in OZ, to make it fair for everyone.... EVs are getting a "free ride" on our roads at the moment....

I didn't mind paying Chris. The roads here are shocking. A HUGE pothole nearby is close to ripping the front end out of small and medium tire sized transport!

It is the Constitution not me that choose that point which has also impacted on Petrol /road and EV taxes!

If I get a refund of the illegal Victorian tax I promise to buy some fill to fix that bloody hole myself

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Did a longer drive in our car yesterday. May I ask that you as your mate to look at the energy monitor screen, and click "rated" and since charge? That should show where the power is going.

If there isn't any update in there then do the battery check in service menu.

Of course the easiest thing is to spray the FUD!

I’ll ask him, no worries.

He likes the car, when he’s in the City it’s his primary choice.
He even likes its highway comfort / quiet.

It’s just the range anxiety that’s of concern to him as time goes on.

I’m assuming a lot of it is environmental- we get seriously strong head winds for the run down the gulf each day, in an ICE vehicle it’s an easy 10-15% increase in fuel burn for that leg. Easily offset by a top up if required at PtAA. Not so easy in EVs at the moment.

We are definitely at the edge of EV range (currently) from Adelaide though.

FUD? Really?