EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Some days I think the sun will never stop shining on me! EV battery essential is Graphite despite being called Lithium[biggrin] A Hydrogen stock that pumps out 1 tonne of Hydrogen and 2 tonnes of Graphite is my smile today! Russia has made me a LOT via the other energy source I like a LOT.

Analysis:China's graphite curbs will accelerate plans around alternatives - CNA

A gift to at least 2 companies I hold[biggrin][biggrin] "China's move on Friday to curb exports of graphite, a key electric vehicle battery material, will only accelerate efforts to develop alternative sources and materials, but that will take time, industry executives and analysts said.
China, the world's largest graphite producer and exporter, will require export permits as of Dec. 1 for some graphite products, including spherical graphite used by automakers. It refines more than 90 per cent of the world's graphite into the material used in almost all EV battery anodes, which is the negatively charged portion of a battery."

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Graphite is ~30% of the average EV battery.
Still need the Cu, Li2CO3, Mn, Co and Ni in significant quantities [emoji41]

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Listening to a guy lecturing from the seat of an old volvo is always fraught.. but he has noticed industry trends.

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He posted today from a L322. Does that make him more or less fraught? What an absurd observation.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

EV's are hitting the mainstream. It looks like it's going to be Tesla and the chinese from here on.

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Meanwhile, Chines EV makers are going bankrupt. Britain is winding back it's net zero guff. So we'll see.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Graphite is ~30% of the average EV battery.
Still need the Cu, Li2CO3, Mn, Co and Ni in significant quantities [emoji41]

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With all the environmental consequences that involves. Not to mention child slavery.

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Originally Posted by Tins

He posted today from a L322. Does that make him more or less fraught? What an absurd observation.

Meanwhile, Chines EV makers are going bankrupt. Britain is winding back it's net zero guff. So we'll see.

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Re the youtuber.. he might be ok.. but the internet is a funny place. "Second hand car dealer doesn't like EV's" seems like a good title. That is of course not to say he's not wrong, but "EV's are in some way rubbish" does seem to be a constant theme of his past videos.

One thing he did say that surprised me was about the cost of EV charging in the UK. I'm really no expert in this. I fired up plug share and looked at the charging situation in London. Fast chargers everywhere, and they mostly seemed to be less than .30 a kwh. BP pulse was 12p with a subscription, and 25p contactless. Tesla superchargers seem to be similar to here.. 67p.

I checked and UK petrol/diesel prices are 150-170 ish.

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So even if you can't charge at home it doesn't look like the statement that EV's cost more to charge than ICE is really backed up. Even if your ev used 2kw or 3kwh (worst case) to the litre it would seem it would very much be worst case for the energy costs to be in the same ball park.

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90% of the worlds refined Graphite followed by a Sunny day and spoiled my weekend or is that spoilt rotten by ??? EV CCS charger popping up in Port Fairy opened today. Smug mug me did not need any. 96% to 98% first ever Fast charge this far off the well beaten EV track for this black duck or anyone. Dad in pic was most confused.
One of the Graphite NVX up 16% and my favorite poo yarn HZR only 7.14%. NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE!!!

The new car is still floating out side PF heads. Planning a raid next week to Pick it up if the sun is hidden for a day or two.


The Child labor mess is DRC and only one of those John. Several battery types are NOT using that bit any more!

DRC is an amazing case study- I would love to visit. Hope corruption can be eliminated and a peaceful life can occur for them!

Not quite, Mozambique and several other nations are being damaged (socially and environmentally) due to the chase for these elements.

Just doesn’t rank in the western world.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Not quite, Mozambique and several other nations are being damaged (socially and environmentally) due to the chase for these elements.

Just doesn’t rank in the western world.

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Yes- Sorry. that is a mess too. Child slavery/labor is a shocker! Add slavery to that as well!

Back to EV News "(Reuters) -The U.S. Justice Department has sought documents and issued subpoenas to Tesla as it scrutinizes the automaker's driver assistance system Autopilot and vehicle driving range, among other issues, the company said on Monday.
Tesla said in a regulatory filing it has received requests for information "including subpoenas, from the DOJ. These have included requests for documents related to Tesla’s Autopilot and FSD features" and other requests "associated with personal benefits, related parties, vehicle range and personnel decisions.""

EJ may or may not be upset. [biggrin]

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Not quite, Mozambique and several other nations are being damaged (socially and environmentally) due to the chase for these elements.

Just doesn’t rank in the western world.

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The child slave labour in the cobalt mines in the Congo is well known, if only people looked.

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Originally Posted by Tins

The child slave labour in the cobalt mines in the Congo is well known, if only people looked.

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It is, what isn’t so commonly known is the corruption by local officials.
Things like having rivers dammed at the local request effectively cutting off water downstream to several villages (Mozambique)

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Originally Posted by Tombie

It is, what isn’t so commonly known is the corruption by local officials.
Things like having rivers dammed at the local request effectively cutting off water downstream to several villages (Mozambique)

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Funny how this stuff is precisely what people protested about oil companies doing many decades ago, but modern day evangelists turn a blind eye to when it suits them.