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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    So which one is going to be found in your garage?



    A mate picks up his RAV hybrid next week,after an 8 month wait.It will be interesting to see how it goes.

    Apparently its AWD,and has electric motors for the rear wheels,only used when needed,and i presume when the battery has power.So it won't last long in 4WD.

    Five years unlimited mileage warranty plus another 7yrs on the electric motors,and 10yrs on the battery.

    He did say the plug in model not yet released in Aus uses more fuel and battery power due to the weight of a much larger battery.

    Top of range model,about $50K
    You're talking about a "RAV" 4?....If so, the recently released model is built on a new platform, & the hybrid version is supposedly very good indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    To be fair to the dealer and their salesmen, if they have ICE cars on the floor they can deliver tomorrow, but there is a wait list of many months on EVs, and the meal they put on the table for their kids depends on the commission on their sales, do you really have to look for sinister motives? (Not to say that sinister motives do not exist, but these are not necessarily in play at present.)

    And delays in repair may well be the result of lack of experience, lack of parts, and lack of skills with EVs.

    Why car dealers don't want to sell electric vehicles | RenewEconomy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickles2 View Post
    You're talking about a "RAV" 4?....If so, the recently released model is built on a new platform, & the hybrid version is supposedly very good indeed.
    Pickles.
    Yes, and Toyota has two decades of experience with hybrids.
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    Don't forget Mitsubishi. They were ahead of Tesla with the all electric I-Miev back in 2009

    The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV will get an update that will see it do ~100km on battery alone. Up from ~50km on currently available model.

    And Mitsubishi will be using the next generation of Toshiba SCIB batteries, which look very promising for longevity.

    The battery for the upcoming outlander is probably less than 20kwh. Not a rediculous 100kwh+ as found in 400km+ BEVS. With the little petrol engine acting as a generator , you could use as little as 1litre per 100km (including battery charge assist). And ~500km of range added with every tank of petrol.


    I think the townies who own one of these will hardly ever put any fuel in it!

    PHEV is going to be the way into EVs for majority of Aussies I reckon .

    Once people get to appreciate the cost savings and convenience of at home charging and battery only driving in their PHEV, they are more likely to consider a BEV next time round.

    At the moment there are **** all charge points, with Tesla reserving their stations for Tesla only. So a fast uptake of BEV would not go well. In the short term I forsee PHEVs ****ing off minority BEV drivers by taking up public charge points even though they don't really need to plug in to get on!

    Will be interesting to see what kind of battery only range the new PHEV defender gets.

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    To quote from that article:-

    "This is certainly supported by anecdotal evidence in Australia, where even if car dealers were enthusiastic about EVs (they are not) there just arenít the cars there to sell."

    This supports the point I was making - you can hardly blame dealers fro being unenthusiastic about selling something they do not have, and cannot get.

    While the dealership may be concerned about the lack of servicing etc with EVs, this is hardly something the salesmen would be concerned about. And with EVs today costing a lot more than ICEVs, I assume that as the salesman's commission is a percentage of their sales, they make more on selling an EV. While EV proponents make a lot of the fact that EVs need less servicing, and this is to the disadvantage of dealers, it is, in my view, a minor issue compared to the fact that the vehicles are simply not available. And likely to be solved long term by dealers modifying their business model, already under threat from independent mechanics.

    And then, of course, as I understand it, Tesla do not use dealers. Whether they can maintain this long term, and whether other manufacturers follow this model remains to be seen. It goes against the trend in all businesses over the last couple of decades to outsource everything possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manic View Post
    Don't forget Mitsubishi. They were ahead of Tesla with the all electric I-Miev back in 2009

    The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV will get an update that will see it do ~100km on battery alone. Up from ~50km on currently available model.

    And Mitsubishi will be using the next generation of Toshiba SCIB batteries, which look very promising for longevity.

    The battery for the upcoming outlander is probably less than 20kwh. Not a rediculous 100kwh+ as found in 400km+ BEVS. With the little petrol engine acting as a generator , you could use as little as 1litre per 100km (including battery charge assist). And ~500km of range added with every tank of petrol.


    I think the townies who own one of these will hardly ever put any fuel in it!

    PHEV is going to be the way into EVs for majority of Aussies I reckon .

    Once people get to appreciate the cost savings and convenience of at home charging and battery only driving in their PHEV, they are more likely to consider a BEV next time round.

    At the moment there are **** all charge points, with Tesla reserving their stations for Tesla only. So a fast uptake of BEV would not go well. In the short term I forsee PHEVs ****ing off minority BEV drivers by taking up public charge points even though they don't really need to plug in to get on!

    Will be interesting to see what kind of battery only range the new PHEV defender gets.
    Yes, the PHEV Outlander seems a good thing.
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