EV general discussion

So are these statistics for the carpark of ICE vehicles?
AFAIK the average age of the ICE carpark is 11 years or so in advanced countries while the average age of the EV carpark would be maybe 3years at most?
So the correct comparison is for the segment of the ICE carpark up to 3 years of age vs EVs of the same age.
I would bet the outcome would be much different.
And of course the ICE statistics would include all those ICE vehicles that are set on fire by one EV going up(over 200) as recently in South Korea and on the ships that recently caught fire like the Fremantle Express..
Liars can figure and figures can lie and this is like comparing apples to potatoes..
My personal experience is that it is usually dungers that catch fire like old old trucks with lots of oil leaks that self combust due to the oil around the turbo combusting.
Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Its more science than CA JT

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My thoughts on it aren't.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I haven't seen a car or bike of mine catch fire happily

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I’m not sure any vehicle catches fire happily! 😁

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Originally Posted by p38arover

I’m not sure any vehicle catches fire happily! 😁

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Perhaps in an insurance claim scam?

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One other factor that I just remembered.
A large proportion of EVs have Lifepo4 (called LFP) batteries which do not burn.
Most if not all Tesla model 3 short range have LFP batteries so this would reduce the total EV carpark subject to self immolation by about 50%.
In other words the incidence of fire is about double what the statistics may suggest.
It is the Long Range models which have the incendiary batteries . That is how they get long range with the same size battery pack as the incendiary type batteries have more energy density than the safe ones.
I posted the full list of models with LFP batteries earlier in the thread. They are generally the cheaper models in each range.
Regards PhilipA

One thing that people forget when comparing EV to ICE fires, especially when covered in insurance figures, is a not inconsiderable proportion of ICE fires are arson, or suspected arson.

Even though 'safer', LFP batteries do actually burn and give off toxic gases, but they are more stable then their Lithium based cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07BS6QY3wI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvQ9NEw76G8

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Originally Posted by p38arover

I’m not sure any vehicle catches fire happily! 😁

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JT brought up the insurance issue[biggrin][biggrin] It want ME!!!!!!!!!!

While visiting Walhalla in a EV recently [thumbsupbig]
I learned when the GOLD stopped a lot of houses started burning until the Melbourne based Insurance company put a stop to the issue of happy fires for some and unhappy for the the Melbourne based Insurance company [bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]


History – Walhalla Goldfields Railway (walhallarail.com.au)

Interesting as well was the train line was finished just as the town was dying really. Great place to visit in your LR's ladies and gents Or the odd EV as well[bigrolf]

The key issue that the fire bloke missed is that an LFP battery relies on external oxygen for ignition whereas Lion of other types produce their own oxygen.

This means that if you deprive an LFP of oxygen say with foam then it will go out whereas this is not the case with the other types.
Regards PhilipA'

I just came across this video by Will prowse who has become a guru tester of Lithium batteries.
LiFePO4 Drill Test! Will it erupt in flames? (youtube.com)

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

JT brought up the insurance issue[biggrin][biggrin] It want ME!!!!!!!!!!

While visiting Walhalla in a EV recently [thumbsupbig]
I learned when the GOLD stopped a lot of houses started burning until the Melbourne based Insurance company put a stop to the issue of happy fires for some and unhappy for the the Melbourne based Insurance company [bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]


History – Walhalla Goldfields Railway (walhallarail.com.au)

Interesting as well was the train line was finished just as the town was dying really. Great place to visit in your LR's ladies and gents Or the odd EV as well[bigrolf]

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Not the only place the railway got there just as the gold ran out - other examples I know of are the Normanton to Croydon and Cooktown to Laura lines in Queensland. Both were completed after the gold ran out, although in the case of Cooktown to Laura, it was never completed to its planned length.

Spare tires! One thing I do not like about new cars with space saver or a can of glue only is tires! A family using a EV 9 towing a 2 tonne caravan from WA have been doing well. In QLD now I think. One of the tires delaminated! They had added a spare which was not included with the car!

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Like most EVs and many new cars,... - ElecTrekking Australia

I read about them months ago. This was the first time I had a look. Slow and fun trip.


Looks like they can get a 300km is range with the 2 tonne van! Not great but that is enough for most of my fishing and Diving spots [biggrin] [biggrin][biggrin]

Honestly I will hold off for solid state[bigwhistle]