EV general discussion

I hadn't even noticed my post here had been moderated. I actually pretty disgusted with the behaviour on the moderator here. He sent me a private message telling me I am acting like a troll because I posted a video by john cadogan where he discussed the C02 outputs of an average electric car and ICE vehicle over a 10year period in Australia. Its actually very fascinating if you google "john cadogan auto expert 10 year c02 challenge". He's a very opinionated hard to tolerate person, so if you find the video fast forward to the point where he's at a whiteboard so you don't have to listen to the verbal diarrhoea he likes to go on with. I didn't realise moderators could just moderate away opinions they didn't like.

the horrific electric car fires are happening almost weekly now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW3Xv43jmYs

the idea of these electric cars being parked under buildings frightens the hell out of me. Well forget electric cars, I don't really have an opinion of them. However placing very large fire prone batteries in underground carparks should scare everyone.

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I hadn't even noticed my post here had been moderated. I actually pretty disgusted with the behaviour on the moderator here. He sent me a private message telling me I am acting like a troll because I posted a video by john cadogan


seeya
Shane L.

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A couple of pertinent points.
1: This is not the avenue to dispute moderation decisions.
2: You have grossly misrepresented the situation.
3: Moderation on this forum is not unilateral, it is discussed amongst the Mods, any outcome is by consensus.

I suggest you read the conditions of access to AULRO, then post with those conditions in mind.

Did I mention after an update to fix the "Lane Keeping Assistance" my car decided to go in to reverse?

Mr L plater stopping at a stop sign. The Car jerked backwards SUDDENLY about 3 metres! Shocked plus assuming I missed something! That night Mr L plater driving again on a slight down hill slope stopped at a stop sign. The Car jerked backwards SUDDENLY about 3 metres.

No one was behind us either time luckily!

Car was taken back and dealer said they had NEVER EVER heard of this. I was asked specifically if One Pedal Driving was being used when I took it back that night!!!!!
Posted this on a MG 4 forum and found others had reported this fun month before the update which started it for me !:soapbox::soapbox::soapbox::soapbox::soapbox:

Giving the car back again for them to test after finally getting a call and very tepid 'sorry' from MG Australia.

My Trust Radar is faulting out as it is specifically related to 'One Pedal Driving' and I do not believe the dealer or the car people claiming I am the only lucky one[bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I hadn't even noticed my post here had been moderated. I actually pretty disgusted with the behaviour on the moderator here. He sent me a private message telling me I am acting like a troll because I posted a video by john cadogan where he discussed the C02 outputs of an average electric car and ICE vehicle over a 10year period in Australia. Its actually very fascinating if you google "john cadogan auto expert 10 year c02 challenge". He's a very opinionated hard to tolerate person, so if you find the video fast forward to the point where he's at a whiteboard so you don't have to listen to the verbal diarrhoea he likes to go on with. I didn't realise moderators could just moderate away opinions they didn't like.

the horrific electric car fires are happening almost weekly now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW3Xv43jmYs

the idea of these electric cars being parked under buildings frightens the hell out of me. Well forget electric cars, I don't really have an opinion of them. However placing very large fire prone batteries in underground carparks should scare everyone.

seeya
Shane L.

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I was in Ballarat again today. Parked outside mostly promise[thumbsupbig]

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Three countries tried putting people alone on Vancouver Island BC Canada. It has the highest black bear population of anywhere! Alone UK was amazing as almost all of them were NOT campers and all terrified about Black Bears. The US version had a 7 year veteran solider. He was very verbal before going to the Island. He sat on a rock for a few hours then decided he wanted to go home. Black Bears and forest fear.

My point is there have been about 2 non fatal Black Bear attacks Vancouver island in the last several years- No one died!

The USA crew had one lady filming a mother and two cubs then a large male black bear. I went for a 20km trail run several time when I was there. Loved it. I did see a few bears and several Killer whales.

Media is full of interesting truths and untruths. Not suggesting most things cannot burn. I think most of us may recall the non steel ships burning brightly in the Falkland war?

I fear DROP BEARS. Just kidding.

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I was in Ballarat again today. Parked outside mostly promise[thumbsupbig]

Watch Alone on SBS?
Search | SBS On Demand


Three countries tried putting people alone on Vancouver Island BC Canada. It has the highest black bear population of anywhere! Alone UK was amazing as almost all of them were NOT campers and all terrified about Black Bears. The US version had a 7 year veteran solider. He was very verbal before going to the Island. He sat on a rock for a few hours then decided he wanted to go home. Black Bears and forest fear.

My point is there have been about 2 non fatal Black Bear attacks Vancouver island in the last several years- No one died!

The USA crew had one lady filming a mother and two cubs then a large male black bear. I went for a 20km trail run several time when I was there. Loved it. I did see a few bears and several Killer whales.

Media is full of interesting truths and untruths. Not suggesting most things cannot burn. I think most of us may recall the non steel ships burning brightly in the Falkland war?

I fear DROP BEARS. Just kidding.

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I'm not sure what you are saying. That we shouldn't be concerned about battery fires? there has been several HUGE fires in the last month alone, from very new batteries, in very new vehicles.

There is nothing wrong with electric cars, but we need to be sensible, they shouldn't be recharged or stored underground (under buildings) or in parking towers. It is simple common sense. I have no doubt insurance risk will force this upon most of the first world, even if the increasingly insane government legislation surrounding anything that is electric car, does not mandate it.

I'm quite surprised they are still managing to ship anything containing large lithium batteries around the world with such ease. You would think after the first few ships have been torched, they would be saying "no big batteries allowed".

I'm not anti-battery, but I sure am anti-stupidity. And what we are doing at the moment is crazy!

I wish they would stop gifting our hard earnt tax payer money to the electric car industry. It needs to be able to survive on it own merits, like any other business. why did us poor tax payers just gift a huge company like ampol 100million to "maybe... sort of" attempt to build some car chargers.

The charging network needs to be self sustaining, if it can't cover implementation and running costs, it simply isn't viable. The prices to charge vehicles will need to increase to a point where they can survive and also make a reasonable return on investment.

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I'm not sure what you are saying. That we shouldn't be concerned about battery fires? there has been several HUGE fires in the last month alone, from very new batteries, in very new vehicles.

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Yes, well....

https://youtu.be/aKFaudtDkOc'si=QC56P4lTOqsVv66D

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Yes, well....

https://youtu.be/aKFaudtDkOc'si=QC56P4lTOqsVv66D

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I find that one intersting. How did they stop a fire in a carpark full of electric cars? You would need a fire break of some sort to stop the spread. I'm guessing you get as many people as you can find to rush out and drive as many cars away from around what is currently burning as possible (creating a fire break).

regardless of what starts the fire, we will need to be very careful of storing a large number of electric cars side by side in rows. Anything that starts a fire near the cars, is very dangerous, as once the first car/battery torches off .... how do you stop it spreading to the rest.

I'm guessing once again, liability insurance will prevent any number of electric cars being stored within a certain distance of each other in the future.

a 1 in a million chance of an electric car torching off .... means we will have how many horific fire each week if there is 40+million of the cars around the world ..... :o

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I'm not sure what you are saying. That we shouldn't be concerned about battery fires? there has been several HUGE fires in the last month alone, from very new batteries, in very new vehicles.

There is nothing wrong with electric cars, but we need to be sensible, they shouldn't be recharged or stored underground (under buildings) or in parking towers. It is simple common sense. I have no doubt insurance risk will force this upon most of the first world, even if the increasingly insane government legislation surrounding anything that is electric car, does not mandate it.

I'm quite surprised they are still managing to ship anything containing large lithium batteries around the world with such ease. You would think after the first few ships have been torched, they would be saying "no big batteries allowed".

I'm not anti-battery, but I sure am anti-stupidity. And what we are doing at the moment is crazy!

I wish they would stop gifting our hard earnt tax payer money to the electric car industry. It needs to be able to survive on it own merits, like any other business. why did us poor tax payers just gift a huge company like ampol 100million to "maybe... sort of" attempt to build some car chargers.

The charging network needs to be self sustaining, if it can't cover implementation and running costs, it simply isn't viable. The prices to charge vehicles will need to increase to a point where they can survive and also make a reasonable return on investment.

seeya
Shane L.

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Hi Shane. my point was perception of risk V real risk. You mention several large recent fires. If I look I can find several large fires worldwide or in Ballarat? What is the real risk of my battery having a fire?

RAC states "That lack of awareness means people tend to be less cautious than they should be when charging or storing li-ion batteries and the results can be catastrophic."

that's in this link Lithium-ion Battery Fires - What You Need To Know To Stay Safe | RAC WA


Most if not all other than physical damage to batteries are caused by "fires that may have been triggered by second-hand or nonoriginal chargers that failed to prevent a battery overheating while on charge"

Thats not an issue for a EV which has an onboard charger. The power supply to the charger being AC or ACDC (CCS) is the power not the charger!


Not suggesting things cannot go wrong. I person reversed back from a red light they entered at high speed almost into me an hour ago. Much more of a risk in my view[bigwhistle]

Live has risks. Almost all recharging my MG is indoors now. Its only when on long trips its out side. Should I be worried? I'm not.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Hi Shane. my point was perception of risk V real risk. You mention several large recent fires. If I look I can find several large fires worldwide or in Ballarat? What is the real risk of my battery having a fire?

RAC states "That lack of awareness means people tend to be less cautious than they should be when charging or storing li-ion batteries and the results can be catastrophic."

that's in this link Lithium-ion Battery Fires - What You Need To Know To Stay Safe | RAC WA


Most if not all other than physical damage to batteries are caused by "fires that may have been triggered by second-hand or nonoriginal chargers that failed to prevent a battery overheating while on charge"

Thats not an issue for a EV which has an onboard charger. The power supply to the charger being AC or ACDC (CCS) is the power not the charger!


Not suggesting things cannot go wrong. I person reversed back from a red light they entered at high speed almost into me an hour ago. Much more of a risk in my view[bigwhistle]

Live has risks. Almost all recharging my MG is indoors now. Its only when on long trips its out side. Should I be worried? I'm not.

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This is crazy though. Lets just pretend because it hasn't happened to me yet, it can't and wont happen .... This is my problem with battery fires. I think the risk is far, far, far greater than the statistics currently being sent around. Almost every single day lately there has been another inferno from a battery fire. Common sense says don't put batteries in unsafe locations (ie: underground or parking towers).

I'm not overly concerned, I'm pretty sure in the next few years, insurance companies will basically so "NO" with such eye watering premiums, everyone will have to sit up and take notice.

I have to say again, I'm not anti-electric car. we just need to be sensible with there implementation. Just because I'm unlikely to own one doesn't mean I don't think other shouldn't have the opportunity to own and enjoy them.

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This is crazy though. Lets just pretend because it hasn't happened to me yet, it can't and wont happen .... This is my problem with battery fires. I think the risk is far, far, far greater than the statistics currently being sent around. Almost every single day lately there has been another inferno from a battery fire. Common sense says don't put batteries in unsafe locations (ie: underground or parking towers).

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I do a lot of work in and around large towers (anywhere from ~30 to 120 stories). I'm left dumbstruck when I walk into a basement to find a row of electric car chargers tethered to rolling batteries. When I ask why the fire suppression systems haven't been updated to at least prevent one spreading if it goes up I'm told the drainage systems in the car parks couldn't cope with the required deluge, and since nobody is asking questions about it they just pretend it's not going to be an issue.