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Originally Posted by Tins

In my YT feed today was a 12 minute vid someone put up about changing a flat tyre on his BYD Seal, whatever that is. Really??

I didn't watch.

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I have seen three seals recently. Just found a tow bar option for my MG4 Its a 500KG or 750kg braked I think. I want one for my bike rack.
Tow is far to light for my boat.

The Seal is rated to 1500kg-1750? towing.


My D3 power was 140kW of power at 4000rpm and 445Nm of torque at a low 1900rpm
Seal mid options is

• Maximum Power - 230 kW
• Maximum Torque - 360 Nm

It isnt a off road beast of course. It could now tow my boat I assume up to about 300km which is interesting! It's range claims of

• Up to 650km range NEDC - 570km WLTP

I may be fishing again sooner than I thought[thumbsupbig] Add Diving from the boat is so much safer than scampering over the rocks as I have been doing recently.

I am going for a test drive tomorrow!

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I have seen three seals recently. Just found a tow bar option for my MG4 Its a 500KG or 750kg braked I think. I want one for my bike rack.
Tow is far to light for my boat.

The Seal is rated to 1500kg-1750? towing.


My D3 power was 140kW of power at 4000rpm and 445Nm of torque at a low 1900rpm
Seal mid options is

• Maximum Power - 230 kW
• Maximum Torque - 360 Nm

It isnt a off road beast of course. It could now tow my boat I assume up to about 300km which is interesting! It's range claims of

• Up to 650km range NEDC - 570km WLTP

I may be fishing again sooner than I thought[thumbsupbig] Add Diving from the boat is so much safer than scampering over the rocks as I have been doing recently.

I am going for a test drive tomorrow!

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Good Luck!

Id be surprised if it gets 200km with a Boat on back - with a tailwind, downhill

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Good Luck!

Id be surprised if it gets 200km with a Boat on back - with a tailwind, downhill

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South Westerly almost assured[thumbsupbig] Oddly 200 with the several charging place with 350kWh and 150 and 50 would still make it to my usual spot west of Warrnambool. Honestly much more likely to wait for the solid state crew to swing into town. The KIA EV9 was a possible early jump back into towing as well. Current battery tech is not where I want for the 10 years, I want to hold my Disco replacement[thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

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Its a bit lke the recycling caper being screamed at us. Its just not possible. there is what 40million cars on the roads now. That is 40million big dangerous batteries that will need to be dismantled, decharged and shredded without torching off ... and burning everything down. We aren't managing it now, so how will we when there is thousands of more recyling places around the world (and we will need thousand of more ... the recycling places need to be where the batteries are located at end of life).

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The whole battery recycling thing. We aren't doing it now because there are no batteries to recycle. Yes we can. Yes we will. Yes it will be useful and yes we will recover the stuff.

BUT we don't because all the EV's in Australia are new. They are under their 8 year battery warranties so there are only a handful outside of this. For the very rare cases where there is a failure.. certainly in the case of Tesla they remove the battery pack and send it back to the US for refurbishment.

Why would a company set up an EV battery recycling plant here yet? Build it and hope that in another 5/10 years you might start getting some customers? That's crazy talk.

We should be recycling small appliance batteries now.. but that is off topic.

https://youtu.be/s2xrarUWVRQ'si=mBAtdIOBhWY-Ah3Y

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

The whole battery recycling thing. We aren't doing it now because there are no batteries to recycle. Yes we can. Yes we will. Yes it will be useful and yes we will recover the stuff.

BUT we don't because all the EV's in Australia are new. They are under their 8 year battery warranties so there are only a handful outside of this. For the very rare cases where there is a failure.. certainly in the case of Tesla they remove the battery pack and send it back to the US for refurbishment.

Why would a company set up an EV battery recycling plant here yet? Build it and hope that in another 5/10 years you might start getting some customers? That's crazy talk.

We should be recycling small appliance batteries now.. but that is off topic.

https://youtu.be/s2xrarUWVRQ'si=mBAtdIOBhWY-Ah3Y

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Its the same fluff video posted endlessly. its not just a simple... kinda vague "it'll happen somehow". Does no-one understand how dangerous these batteries are.

Kilwinning: Drone footage reveals extent of battery plant fire | The Herald

The recycling plants keep burning down. It would never happen in europe with all there stringent regulations. Certainly not germany. Yet there recycling plant has burned down three times now.

This issue is magnified thousands of times over due to the sheer number and density of cells in an electric car. Before they can be recycled we need people ... humans .... Those things that are fragile, expensive to hire ... get easily damaged and burnt to manually dismantle all of those huge battery packs. discharge them and make them safe (including the damaged ones).

"She'll be right mate" ...... [bigrolf] Nothing to see here [bigwhistle] :firedevil::firedevil::whistling::o

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Its the same fluff video posted endlessly.

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Indeed. But hey, if Google/YouTube says it it must be right, yeah? The naiveté is astonishing.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Its the same fluff video posted endlessly. its not just a simple... kinda vague "it'll happen somehow". Does no-one understand how dangerous these batteries are.

Kilwinning: Drone footage reveals extent of battery plant fire | The Herald

The recycling plants keep burning down. It would never happen in europe with all there stringent regulations. Certainly not germany. Yet there recycling plant has burned down three times now.

This issue is magnified thousands of times over due to the sheer number and density of cells in an electric car. Before they can be recycled we need people ... humans .... Those things that are fragile, expensive to hire ... get easily damaged and burnt to manually dismantle all of those huge battery packs. discharge them and make them safe (including the damaged ones).

"She'll be right mate" ...... [bigrolf] Nothing to see here [bigwhistle] :firedevil::firedevil::whistling::o

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VW seem to be managing. Note the sequence where they discharge the pack before they feed it it.

It's not "She'll be right". These problems are solvable it's just there isn't any pressing need at this stage because there aren't car battery packs to recycle! I'm pretty sure I wouldn't invest in a service that isn't going to be required for at least 10 years. Doesn't seem like a good business plan.

I wonder if at the birth of the ice vehicle whether they said "Hold up.. you can't go selling those until you can prove they can be recycled at the end of their life". I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi8Y2lF7Luw

Just to continue to contribute balance in this thread. More details of ICE subsidies and tax breaks.

Luxury ute tax loophole costs Australians $250m a year, researchers say | Transport | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

VW seem to be managing. Note the sequence where they discharge the pack before they feed it it.

It's not "She'll be right". These problems are solvable it's just there isn't any pressing need at this stage because there aren't car battery packs to recycle! I'm pretty sure I wouldn't invest in a service that isn't going to be required for at least 10 years. Doesn't seem like a good business plan.

I wonder if at the birth of the ice vehicle whether they said "Hold up.. you can't go selling those until you can prove they can be recycled at the end of their life". I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi8Y2lF7Luw

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that is a battery module from a dismantled battery. I'm surprised they haven't broken it down further. they skip over the work of dismantling and testing the big battery in about 15seconds. That sure isn't the reality. I'm pretty sure this isn't where they burn, it'll be in storage while they are waiting for recycling. Imagine about 40million of these being need done in the next 5'ish years and you will understand the staggering scale of this task.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Just to continue to contribute balance in this thread. More details of ICE subsidies and tax breaks.

Luxury ute tax loophole costs Australians $250m a year, researchers say | Transport | The Guardian

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A tax break is far different to a subsidy...

If I give you something for nothing, thats a damn big difference over paying you to take it..


Lets look at EVs

• federal government removed import tariff on all EVs
• federal government raised LCT threshold on EVs

• ACT
  
  • Free registration for EVs for 2 years
  • Discount for hybrids
  • Interest free loans

• QLD
  
  • Rebates up to $6000 (this comes out of tax payers pockets)
  • Discounted rego

These are the 2 big players - most other states have ceased their incentives / rebates or reduced significantly...