EV general discussion

The first video is about the Duesenfeld process. Duesenfeld is a German R&D company that develops, patents, and licenses the process. The make money selling the license to their process to others. BMW have partnered with them.

Low energy consumption and highest recovery rates

Having said it was reported that they do process 3,000t of EV batteries a year to demonstrate the process.

The main competitor is Redwood Materials which is who Ford, Toyota, GM, and VW have partnered with to recycle EV batteries. They are currently ramping up and expected to become the major source of materials for new battery manufacturing in the US.

And the very first video from the earlier post is the other competitor Li-Cycle. They are currently pursuing further financing to progress to the next stage of processing. Glencore have recently invested with them.

And as NavyDiver would say - This is not financial advice!

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Originally Posted by DiscoDB

The first video is about the Duesenfeld process. Duesenfeld is a German R&D company that develops, patents, and licenses the process. The make money selling the license to their process to others.

Low energy consumption and highest recovery rates

Having said it was reported that they do process 3,000t of EV batteries a year to demonstrate the process.

The main competitor is Redwood Materials which is who Ford, Toyota, GM, and VW have partnered with to recycle EV batteries. They are currently ramping up and expected to become the major source of materials for new battery manufacturing in the US.

And the very first video from the earlier post is the other competitor Li-Cycle. They are currently pursuing further financing to progress to the next stage of processing. Glencore have recently invested with them.

And as NavyDiver would say - This is not financial advice!

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Anyone listening to my waffle about buying things including my favorite Disco would know its not always safe to dive in with me [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Several of my Navy Mates with PTSD after watching me 'working wet' know its not always cool even just watching some things I have done will wet or not[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

Put this up as I am going cold turkey next week[biggrin]

After the coldest week on record for the year a snowy idea for next weekend is happening for me. I usually sleep off the mountains in my swag so cold is fine.


I took an electric car to the snow… should you?
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/elec ... -and-snow/






"While I can't say, based on my limited testing, that any electric car won't see a noticeable drop in range travelling in sub-zero temperatures, I can state that I saw around 20 electric cars on the mountain across the three-day trip – ***** Tesla Model Ys, Model 3s and BYD Atto 3s."


I will have a quiet day trip rather than sleeping in the snow this time as my partner has never camped out before. The swags do fit in my MG. Not nearly as much space as my D3 of course! No Alpine Deisel required [thumbsupbig]

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Anyone listening to my waffle about buying things including my favorite Disco would know its not always safe to dive in with me [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Several of my Navy Mates with PTSD after watching me 'working wet' know its not always cool even just watching some things I have done will wet or not[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

Put this up as I am going cold turkey next week[biggrin]

After the coldest week on record for the year a snowy idea for next weekend is happening for me. I usually sleep off the mountains in my swag so cold is fine.


I took an electric car to the snow… should you?
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/elec ... -and-snow/






"While I can't say, based on my limited testing, that any electric car won't see a noticeable drop in range travelling in sub-zero temperatures, I can state that I saw around 20 electric cars on the mountain across the three-day trip – ***** Tesla Model Ys, Model 3s and BYD Atto 3s."


I will have a quiet day trip rather than sleeping in the snow this time as my partner has never camped out before. The swags do fit in my MG. Not nearly as much space as my D3 of course! No Alpine Deisel required [thumbsupbig]

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I'm not anti-electric car .... I'm just anti-stupidity. This is a bit like taking an electric car across australia. sure it can be done ... Ideal? Not on your life. I don't want to post anti-ev stuff .... but hate the lunacy being screamed at us about how amazing they are. If you're going somewhere with temperature extremes, obviously you take the appropriate vehicle. snow? you probably want 4wd .. if its diesel, make sure its winter diesel in your tank. all the modern ICE engines should be happy to run in all extremes of weather. we have been building the things for over a century!

Of course there will be reduction in range (no matter what the zealots claim). Its the design of the battery. Ever noticed how much less capacity the start battery in your car has of a freezing cold morning too ?

Its a bit lke the recycling caper being screamed at us. Its just not possible. there is what 40million cars on the roads now. That is 40million big dangerous batteries that will need to be dismantled, decharged and shredded without torching off ... and burning everything down. We aren't managing it now, so how will we when there is thousands of more recyling places around the world (and we will need thousand of more ... the recycling places need to be where the batteries are located at end of life).

Checking out snow chains at the moment. The rear wheel drive is clearly not a great as a 4wd. Not going 4wding at present.

I have to check If I gave my Disco's snow chains to a nice gent on here. Interesting side on that was when I did go to the snow I carried them. They were for my 18 inch road or AT tires. I almost always put the 17-inch MTs on before real 4wd. I was a bit checky as my chains did not fit the MTs[biggrin]

Fully appreciate that having my Disco made it less likely I would get bogged or stopped in almost any place when the right rubber was on! Most Landrovers could get stuck and slippery on wet grass with most of the rubber on them as they never get dirty playing in the mud.[thumbsupbig]

Lots of crazy people have taken EVs around OZ already. Lots of people do it on push Bikes[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle] Probably driving to Broome for the marathon next year. Which is nuttier[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

Having fun and doing it your way is best [thumbsupbig]

Edit If I am screaming at you, I seriously offer my apologies. Put a waffle one in C.A. I am not anti wind, Solar, Gas or .... I am anti bull dust and I like most people think you should be able to choose IF we pay for our choices. The CA post in Economics explains that I hope.

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I have seen the video with regards to shreding the batteries you listed before. Yeah I remember them forklfting the car battery on. They certainly didn't show it being shredded that I can remember (All I can think is BOOM .... big fire and explosion) if you try and shred a big car battery without first dismantling and completely discharging it. At least that is what I assume they must do!

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In answer to your other concern, no they do not explode or ignite when being crushed properly. The Duesenfeld process achieves this by doing a deep discharge of the modules first, and then crushes them in an inert gas environment so no potential for the battery to ignite.

Wet crushing processes like that used by Li-Cycle use a liquid solution that will not react with the electrolyte and converts the lithium to a non-reactive state as soon as it is exposed to the liquid. You see this in the video. Wet crushing is potentially a lower cost process but then requires treatment of the water to reuse. It is not clear if Li-Cycle do a deep discharge first.

The storage of used batteries does present risks as well. Deep discharging is a good step to take before storing and allows the energy to be reused to power the recycling process. The biggest risk is the millions of phone, laptop, and small lithium batteries waiting to be recycled. These batteries have been collected for decades now and currently are probably the biggest volume of material needing to be processed.

They need to be stored in approved non-conductive containers, have the contacts all taped up, and the containers filled with non-conductive material like sand. They need to be managed like a Dangerous Good and kept seperate from any other dangerous goods. They also need pre-sorting to separate damaged batteries which need to be stored and managed separately. Ideally sealed individually in non-conductive bags and potentially stored in fire safe containers.

One thing that is needed is regulations need to catch up quickly. Lithium battery recycling should be treated like any other dangerous goods or hazardous facility and regulated accordingly. Just as you don’t build oil refineries in residential areas, you shouldn’t bulk store and process recycled lithium batteries in or near residential areas either.

So yes if a company is planning to store large volumes of used batteries or build a recycling plant near you, demand to know more and raise your concerns with the relevant authorities. I agree that we don’t want this turning into the debacle we see with used tyres - perhaps the biggest unspoken about waste material generated by fossil fuels. Perhaps tyre companies should also be forced to take back all used tyres and recycle.

My Niro is now 12 months old. It has traveled 21,809km at 14.6 kWh/100km (Kia advertise 16.2). At the current gazetted NT retail energy price of $0.2921 per kW, that equates to $4.26 per 100km. Vehicle is doing exactly what it was purchased for so very happy.

Start with the ugly [biggrin] JLR are stopping the I-pace in Dec 24!!!
"Production of the model will come to an end in December 2024.

Jaguar Land Rover announced this month that its luxury Jaguar brand will eliminate five out of six models, including the all-electric Jaguar I-Pace.
According to the company's CEO Adrian Mardell (via Automotive News Europe), production of the Jaguar XE, XF, and F-type ended in May, while production of the E-Pace and I-Pace at Magna Steyr, a contract manufacturer in Graz, Austria, will stop in December. This means that for a while, the brand will be left with a single midsize SUV model, the F-Pace."

The Bad[biggrin]

"Production of the model will come to an end in December 2024.

Jaguar Land Rover announced this month that its luxury Jaguar brand will eliminate five out of six models, including the all-electric Jaguar I-Pace.
According to the company's CEO Adrian Mardell (via Automotive News Europe), production of the Jaguar XE, XF, and F-type ended in May, while production of the E-Pace and I-Pace at Magna Steyr, a contract manufacturer in Graz, Austria, will stop in December. This means that for a while, the brand will be left with a single midsize SUV model, the F-Pace."

The good? [bigrolf]


"The reason behind the radical shift is Jaguar's upcoming transition to an all-electric luxury brand with three all-new models based on the Jaguar Electrified Architecture (JEA) platform." link
Jaguar I-Pace: An EV Pioneer Dies With A Whimper (msn.com)


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Exclusive: Jaguar to return in 2025 with trio of electric sports SUVs


Three “jaw-dropping” crossovers will take Jaguar into Bentley territory, with new platform, tech and design

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Exclusive: Jaguar to return in 2025 with trio of electric sports SUVs | Autocar



The Movie is needed after stealing that line [thumbsupbig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HwN3jf_9w

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Start with the ugly [biggrin] JLR are stopping the I-pace in Dec 24!!!
"Production of the model will come to an end in December 2024.

Jaguar Land Rover announced this month that its luxury Jaguar brand will eliminate five out of six models, including the all-electric Jaguar I-Pace.
According to the company's CEO Adrian Mardell (via Automotive News Europe), production of the Jaguar XE, XF, and F-type ended in May, while production of the E-Pace and I-Pace at Magna Steyr, a contract manufacturer in Graz, Austria, will stop in December. This means that for a while, the brand will be left with a single midsize SUV model, the F-Pace."

The Bad[biggrin]

"Production of the model will come to an end in December 2024.

Jaguar Land Rover announced this month that its luxury Jaguar brand will eliminate five out of six models, including the all-electric Jaguar I-Pace.
According to the company's CEO Adrian Mardell (via Automotive News Europe), production of the Jaguar XE, XF, and F-type ended in May, while production of the E-Pace and I-Pace at Magna Steyr, a contract manufacturer in Graz, Austria, will stop in December. This means that for a while, the brand will be left with a single midsize SUV model, the F-Pace."

The good? [bigrolf]


"The reason behind the radical shift is Jaguar's upcoming transition to an all-electric luxury brand with three all-new models based on the Jaguar Electrified Architecture (JEA) platform." link
Jaguar I-Pace: An EV Pioneer Dies With A Whimper (msn.com)


"

Exclusive: Jaguar to return in 2025 with trio of electric sports SUVs


Three “jaw-dropping” crossovers will take Jaguar into Bentley territory, with new platform, tech and design

"

Exclusive: Jaguar to return in 2025 with trio of electric sports SUVs | Autocar



The Movie is needed after stealing that line [thumbsupbig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2HwN3jf_9w

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That's sad, all I read is "jaguar will be bankrupt and no longer exist in the near future :( ". Sure build some electric cars, some poeple want them .... the majority don't. so discontinue building the cars the majority want ... sure that makes sense [bighmmm]

Maybe these companies are planning and sueing the government for losses when it doesn't pan out [bigwhistle]

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Maybe these companies are planning and sueing the government for losses when it doesn't pan out [bigwhistle]

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That's about the only reason I can see for Ford's new Capri. The sales, or lack of them, of the Mustang Mach-E shows that the things are a failure outside of fleet sales.

it's one of those slow creeping things, from a novelty to now a common site on our roads. Recently I have been seeing old people with more money than brains driving their EV towing a huge caravan. I wonder how often they have to stop to charge... A tesla with a boat behind it is a ridiculous sight I must say [bigrolf]

-P