EV general discussion

Actually, looking at the car industry as a whole, and over the life of the industry, it is almost unheard of for any manufacturer to consistently make money in real terms without, protection, subsidies or creative accounting (or all of the above).

Countries tend to bail out their own manufacturers, often treating them as "to big to allow to fail".

So predicting "Personally I can't see the smaller japanese companies surviving without being acquired, and I can't see the big ones making it without being nationalised." is a fairly safe prediction.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Actually, looking at the car industry as a whole, and over the life of the industry, it is almost unheard of for any manufacturer to consistently make money in real terms without, protection, subsidies or creative accounting (or all of the above).

Countries tend to bail out their own manufacturers, often treating them as "to big to allow to fail".

So predicting "Personally I can't see the smaller japanese companies surviving without being acquired, and I can't see the big ones making it without being nationalised." is a fairly safe prediction.

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Thanks! [bigsmile1]

Nationalising of car makers does happen but it's still a big deal. Toyota I'm looking at you. If you like Mazda and Subaru buy one soon.

Given the Chinese are essentially government owned, it's going to be hard for privately owned companies to compete

Inside the dragon: the Ningde MG factory

Toyota owns 20% of Subaru.
regards PhilipA

The French car manufacturers are already saying the EU needs to either put import tariffs on Chinese cars or subsidies be paid to them for as they are not able to compete. Without this support the EU car industry will be gone in a decade

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The French car manufacturers are already saying the EU needs to either put import tariffs on Chinese cars or subsidies be paid to them for as they are not able to compete. Without this support the EU car industry will be gone in a decade

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Holden moment?

It's some time required for defense and other issues to have a domestic capability. It may be a economic or national pride thing also at times. Apparently, there was a bet on the outcome between Pres Macron and the PM here. I guess many would recall the same the same arguments against Japanese cars in 60s, 70s and onwards. The political or economic side might be a bit spicy for a general chat so excuse me if I am over the line mods.


The French Press is kindly supporting our Football heroes who beat France last night here. [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Just fun not politics.

Going for a test drive in a MG4 Thursday. as normal Australia is very late to the party[bighmmm] EU got them over a year ago!

I am not getting a MG4. I have to get the deposit I paid for one back via the test drive.[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

Regards from the slow place

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Holden moment?

It's some time required for defense and other issues to have a domestic capability. It may be a economic or national pride thing also at times. Apparently, there was a bet on the outcome between Pres Macron and the PM here. I guess many would recall the same the same arguments against Japanese cars in 60s, 70s and onwards. The political or economic side might be a bit spicy for a general chat so excuse me if I am over the line mods.


The French Press is kindly supporting our Football heroes who beat France last night here. [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Just fun not politics.

Going for a test drive in a MG4 Thursday. as normal Australia is very late to the party[bighmmm] EU got them over a year ago!

I am not getting a MG4. I have to get the deposit I paid for one back via the test drive.[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

Regards from the slow place

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After you have calmed down about your test drive you may be asking yourself why the **** you even considered it in the first place.[bighmmm] [bigrolf]

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After you have calmed down about your test drive you may be asking yourself why the **** you even considered it in the first place.[bighmmm] [bigrolf]

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I know that one Des. The range of my current ZX Ev is just over 200km at 100kph. The 306km from home to mum and dads is with Chemo runs 666 ish([bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf] I did that estimate deliberately)

Fast Charge points did not occur until a few weeks ago. The three years I have been doing that number has been a Pain yet cost a lot less than my much loved Disco cost. Fully appreciate no fuel stops needed at all in my First d3 with long range tank!

I do miss chatting with Owen Craig and crew at Ritters LD honestly.
The 666 is a chuckle as my aunty would be horrified [bigrolf] I am stirring the pot sorry. Please do not be offended by my dig at a Nun!

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I know that one Des. The range of my current ZX Ev .......

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They are becoming more popular, in my street there is a Tesla (Model X maybe, looks like a big hatchback) and a Polestar 2 and around the corner somewhere a MG ZX all electric.

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I know that one Des. The range of my current ZX Ev is just over 200km at 100kph. The 306km from home to mum and dads is with Chemo runs 666 ish([bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf] I did that estimate deliberately)

Fast Charge points did not occur until a few weeks ago. The three years I have been doing that number has been a Pain yet cost a lot less than my much loved Disco cost. Fully appreciate no fuel stops needed at all in my First d3 with long range tank!

I do miss chatting with Owen Craig and crew at Ritters LD honestly.
The 666 is a chuckle as my aunty would be horrified [bigrolf] I am stirring the pot sorry. Please do not be offended by my dig at a Nun!

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Bless you my son.

Nun? Your aunty?

My FiL was very familiar with VAT 69 & claimed it was the Pope's phone #. I was a wake up to that one.[bigrolf]

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Bless you my son.

Nun? Your aunty?

My FiL was very familiar with VAT 69 & claimed it was the Pope's phone #. I was a wake up to that one.[bigrolf]

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Bless my soul Dess I saw a growth number of 385% in EV and apparently the QLDers are the main offenders not down here in Mexico [biggrin][biggrin]

I'm a bishop- DO NOT KISS MY RING [bigrolf]