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Not suggesting fires are not from the old school battery. That said. Fires on ships may start for many reasons. A bit like the helicopter crash in QLD. It may be the MRH-90 or may be the very very tricky work Defense Force people do training especially at night above, on or under the water.
RIP all aircrew!


Back to batteries Not fully Solid state! Delivery starts this year!

"Nio’s battery supplier WeLion has delivered the first of its advanced battery cells to the Chinese electric car maker. Nio had promised to start deliveries of EVs with its 150kWh battery packs in the first half of this year after revising deadlines. And, shock horror, it’s actually happening.The semi-solid-state battery cells are more energy dense than those before it. Featuring a solid electrolyte, a silicon graphite composition anode and a nickel-heavy cathode, the cells have an energy density of 360Wh/kg. To give that some context, Tesla’s 4680-cell battery – considered the best on the market for a long time – has 272-296Wh/kg.



The more remarkable feature is that vehicles fitted with the new pack, according to China News EV Post, weigh ‘only 20 kilos more than before’.
The Nio ET7 is one of the models expected to feature a giant battery, capable of over 600 miles of range on one charge. It’s a veritable challenger to the Mercedes EQXX and Lucid Air, set to arrive in Europe later in the summer.

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Chat yesterday with Sparky- New company same ledgend Solar Specialists | Victoria | Everest Energy

Going to adding as much solar for me at work as will fit. Heard about an interesting sodium battery tech they are now tech support for.

It may be this one "In 2016, Faradion made electrive news when British companies Faradion and AGM Batteries received a 38.2m pound cash injection from Innovate UK to develop a prototype of a sodium-ion battery for electric cars by 2018 with the goal of commercialising the technology by 2025. In 2017, we reported that the British company was working on a cheap sodium-ion EV battery and was able to raise 3.2m pounds in additional funding. The money was to be used to demonstrate that the technology is suitable for serial production."


A few are installed in a Beta Mode here in Australia. NOT suitable for EV as they are heavy! link to the battery Stationary Energy Storage - Faradion

Back to EV or FCEV cars Nothing yet to tow my boat!!!!! No battery big enough and light enough to take me far off shore and back - Or perhaps a supercapacitor rumour just may :)

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Not suggesting fires are not from the old school battery. That said. Fires on ships may start for many reasons. A bit like the helicopter crash in QLD. It may be the MRH-90 or may be the very very tricky work Defense Force people do training especially at night above, on or under the water.
RIP all aircrew!


Back to batteries Not fully Solid state! Delivery starts this year!

"Nio’s battery supplier WeLion has delivered the first of its advanced battery cells to the Chinese electric car maker. Nio had promised to start deliveries of EVs with its 150kWh battery packs in the first half of this year after revising deadlines. And, shock horror, it’s actually happening.The semi-solid-state battery cells are more energy dense than those before it. Featuring a solid electrolyte, a silicon graphite composition anode and a nickel-heavy cathode, the cells have an energy density of 360Wh/kg. To give that some context, Tesla’s 4680-cell battery – considered the best on the market for a long time – has 272-296Wh/kg.



The more remarkable feature is that vehicles fitted with the new pack, according to China News EV Post, weigh ‘only 20 kilos more than before’.
The Nio ET7 is one of the models expected to feature a giant battery, capable of over 600 miles of range on one charge. It’s a veritable challenger to the Mercedes EQXX and Lucid Air, set to arrive in Europe later in the summer.

"
Chat yesterday with Sparky- New company same ledgend Solar Specialists | Victoria | Everest Energy

Going to adding as much solar for me at work as will fit. Heard about an interesting sodium battery tech they are now tech support for.

It may be this one "In 2016, Faradion made electrive news when British companies Faradion and AGM Batteries received a 38.2m pound cash injection from Innovate UK to develop a prototype of a sodium-ion battery for electric cars by 2018 with the goal of commercialising the technology by 2025. In 2017, we reported that the British company was working on a cheap sodium-ion EV battery and was able to raise 3.2m pounds in additional funding. The money was to be used to demonstrate that the technology is suitable for serial production."


A few are installed in a Beta Mode here in Australia. NOT suitable for EV as they are heavy! link to the battery Stationary Energy Storage - Faradion

Back to EV or FCEV cars Nothing yet to tow my boat!!!!! No battery big enough and light enough to take me far off shore and back - Or perhaps a supercapacitor rumour just may :)

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MY CONSPIRACY theory, indeed my first ever on here. So shoot me.[bigrolf]


I find it a bit "odd" that this has occurred while a Chinese Intel Gathering vessel fitted with who knows what electronics, was apparently off the coast in that area.


Would they really want the cabin & it's instruments/electronics bearing in mind it was an older AC.? Did the main body breakaway when it hit the drink? Also has come to light that an Engine System upgrade may not have been carried out as apparently many were & many missed out. Cuts the engine & could be delivered electronically maybe even by Laser.


Has it been salvaged by the Chinese already? Planned Underwater salvage like has happened with WW2 Battleships etc. where even giant 16" & 18" guns have disappeared from wrecks without anyone noticing, only the thieves.


As there are seemingly stacks of ASW vessel& aircraft in the area even one of the new Posiden(?) Jets from Adelaide was Tasked in the search ( courtesy of Flight Tracker.)
Some thing still feels quite wrong with this "Prang".
Are we being told everything?

I hope I am wrong but who knows these touchy days?

An interesting take on the reliability of EVs charged at home in Qld. It is possible that if you decided to buy an EV that you would implement solar/batteries to provide the current, but the ability for electricity companies to load shed you on a hot Queensland evening might leave you with a sour taste in the morning when you have no charge to get to work.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/home-e...medium=partner

Regards,
Tote

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An interesting take on the reliability of EVs charged at home in Qld. It is possible that if you decided to buy an EV that you would implement solar/batteries to provide the current, but the ability for electricity companies to load shed you on a hot Queensland evening might leave you with a sour taste in the morning when you have no charge to get to work.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/home-e...medium=partner

Regards,
Tote

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Its going to be a huge issue perhaps. The ability to shut down solar export and the Solar system itself via remote inverter control is already happening in places South Oz? [bigwhistle]
The number of EVs is slow here despite growth rates being pumped as huge [biggrin]

Electric vehicle sales across the country surge with over 45,000 sold in first half of 2023

Its about a million other cars per year[bigwhistle]



Biggest issue for some is Solar panels switched off by energy authorities to stabilise South Australian electricity grid - ABC News


And QLD

"A new rule that will require large numbers of Queensland rooftop solar systems to be fitted with “mid-20th Century” technology has been slammed by industry and peak bodies as outdated, reckless and likely to impose “significant extra costs” on consumers and installers.Energy Queensland has revealed that from February 6, 2023, new and replacement rooftop solar and battery storage systems of 10kW and over will be fitted with a generation signalling device that will allow the state’s network operators to switch these PV systems off, remotely, if needed.
The generation signalling device, also referred to as “ripple control,” is Energy Queensland’s answer to the increasingly pressing problem of large amounts of daytime solar exports sending operational demand so low as to threaten system security."

And WA
Emergency Solar Management (www.wa.gov.au)

"The Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) recommended the measure as a means of mitigating the threat to grid security posed by the rapid growth of rooftop solar, which has led to days of very low demand."

My work Victron Inverter Chargers are no longer Complient I heard yesterday.[biggrin] They are certified so they stay put. I was thinking of moving them to my home. They cannot be controlled by others happily. Not that I export except for a bit on Sunday perhaps.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Its going to be a huge issue perhaps. The ability to shut down solar export and the Solar system itself via remote inverter control is already happening in places South Oz? [bigwhistle]
The number of EVs is slow here despite growth rates being pumped as huge [biggrin]

Electric vehicle sales across the country surge with over 45,000 sold in first half of 2023

Its about a million other cars per year[bigwhistle]



Biggest issue for some is Solar panels switched off by energy authorities to stabilise South Australian electricity grid - ABC News


And QLD

"A new rule that will require large numbers of Queensland rooftop solar systems to be fitted with “mid-20th Century” technology has been slammed by industry and peak bodies as outdated, reckless and likely to impose “significant extra costs” on consumers and installers.Energy Queensland has revealed that from February 6, 2023, new and replacement rooftop solar and battery storage systems of 10kW and over will be fitted with a generation signalling device that will allow the state’s network operators to switch these PV systems off, remotely, if needed.
The generation signalling device, also referred to as “ripple control,” is Energy Queensland’s answer to the increasingly pressing problem of large amounts of daytime solar exports sending operational demand so low as to threaten system security."

And WA
Emergency Solar Management (www.wa.gov.au)

"The Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) recommended the measure as a means of mitigating the threat to grid security posed by the rapid growth of rooftop solar, which has led to days of very low demand."

My work Victron Inverter Chargers are no longer Complient I heard yesterday.[biggrin] They are certified so they stay put. I was thinking of moving them to my home. They cannot be controlled by others happily. Not that I export except for a bit on Sunday perhaps.

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I do not trust anybody/business that has remote access to my Power accounts via Digital Meters.
as opposed to the Meter bloke calling in days of yore, press a few "odd" keys & one's account could jump to where they make a huge profit if done Australia wide. Who can oversee their actions? What safeguards are in place?

They can fiddle with our accounts & play merry Hell with one's bank Statement.

I find the EU effort to take a high position with attempting to tax non EU countries that emit more co2 in manufacturing a little hard to take. They after all drove those manufacturing processes out of the EU to these countries by legislation knowing full well that they were just moving the pollution elsewhere

Am a believer in the polluter pays principal as this is proven to cause changes in behavior. Whether this is a change for the better is of course up for debate. Why is a power station put a couple of hundred miles from the city that uses the pollution?

It should be in the place where the highest consumption is. While easy with a power plant this would of course require some rethinking of cities with food production

A bit of EV reality and fires here.A bit of language,so probably not for children,Mods remove if not suitable.

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Mod edit - Search for John Cadogan 500 EV fire and you'll find it.

This was not unexpected!

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Won’t be the last time Tesla is overtaken by others. That’s not even a go at Tesla as I think they’ve done more for EV development than any so far but with global OEM’s starting to really ramp up production they won’t stay anywhere near the top in the next 5 years I don’t think.

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Won’t be the last time Tesla is overtaken by others. That’s not even a go at Tesla as I think they’ve done more for EV development than any so far but with global OEM’s starting to really ramp up production they won’t stay anywhere near the top in the next 5 years I don’t think.

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The difficulty for legacy manufacturers is they are going to have to make up a big gap technically, and with manufacturing while their existing ICE markets are failing. Yes they have a lot of assets, but they are assets for making ICE cars. And they have debt to feed.

So not only have they got to come up with cracking products that people want to buy, while getting their supply chain and manufacturing sorted, they need to make good money on these cars. Meanwhile, Tesla and the Chinese EV manufacturers are not waiting around.

Personally I can't see the smaller japanese companies surviving without being acquired, and I can't see the big ones making it without being nationalised.