EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Just rto stir the pot a bit, here is an article from Reuters on insurance problems with EVs.
I guess all the stored batteries are a cheap source for EV converters but the insurance rates n the USA are a bit eyewatering.
Scratched EV battery? Your insurer may have to junk the whole car | Reuters

Regards PhilipA

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There was also a John Cadogan video on EV fires.

No one ever mentions this - but there are a few different types of EV batteries. NCA (Nickel Cobalt Aluminium) was the default until recently. Excellent energy density. Expensive though. Unfortunately though - in rare cases if they catch fire they are all but impossible to extinguish. Plus the cobalt gives off a particularly nasty gas.

Recently Tesla and BYD (there may be others) have started using LIFPO4. These batteries are cheaper to make, and don't have quite the density of NCA. The other advantages to them is they are longer lived (for all intents and purposes indefinite!), and far far more tolerant of charging. Plus a little side bonus, they rarely if ever catch fire. Oh and no nasty cobalt.

It should be noted that as at now the bulk of EV's coming into Australia (Tesla and BYD) are using LIFPO4.

Why Electric Cars Burn, Why It's Probably Overhyped and How to Fix It - CNET

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Originally Posted by Homestar

I think any OEM claiming long range for their EV’s is more than a stretch but is actually false advertising.

Might see if I can find an advert saying that somewhere and send it to the ACCC.

From their website -

Businesses shouldn't try to gain an unfair advantage by making misleading claims about their products or services.

Claims should be true, accurate and based on reasonable grounds.

A business must be able to prove any claim they advertise.

Edit - easy to find, MG has an advert claiming ‘long range’ - no asterisk about that being compared to their standard range of EV’s so I would think that breaches the second line - It’s BS like this around EV advertising that really annoys me.

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We’ll I got an email back from the ACCC from the report I submitted - looks like I’m not the only one and MG aren’t the only ones being complained about but what that means is anyones guess but I now know at least I’m not the only one who thinks calling an EV ‘long range’ is false advertising.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

We’ll I got an email back from the ACCC from the report I submitted - looks like I’m not the only one and MG aren’t the only ones being complained about but what that means is anyones guess but I now know at least I’m not the only one who thinks calling an EV ‘long range’ is false advertising.

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I wonder if people stating 2nd hand 2020 EV cars can go 320km would be FAKE to everyone like me as I have one and no way if can! Perhaps if driven at 40kph[bigwhistle][bigwhistle][bigwhistle] Used, Demo and Near New 2020 MG Electric cars for sale in Australia - carsales.com.au

The only bit that didn't make me cross was the about 38k they felt the 42K odd new price they paid was OK??? I think some could have paid a bit more than I did of course![bigwhistle][bigwhistle].
Take GST and stamp duties.... of and the prices seem rather rude unles of course some one would like to give me that amount?

Tesla 2020 at 58K seem a bit ripe to me as well?
carsales.com.au
70ish K new!

to be fair 2020 Landrovers seem a bit ripe to me as well[biggrin]

carsales.com.au

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Just watched a Youtube vid about towing with an EV - as was totally expected the EV used twice as much power when towing as to not towing where an ice typically uses 50% more fuel in similar circumstances - but we already know this.

The interesting bit is when they went to recharge - the charging points are only designed to fit one vehicle in per point and the depending on make the vehicle has to be pointed in or reversed in. What they found was it is impossible to recharge the car (BMW in this case) with the caravan attached because the car could not get close enough to the charging point. They had to unhitch the caravan and park it somewhere and then take the car to the charger, grab a cuppa for the next hour or so while the car charged then go back and collect the caravan - and repeat every 180km or so.

A little more thought need to go into the design of the surrounds to charging stations. Also highlights that when towing the time required charging is getting close to the same as being on the actual road.

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So, the price of many cups of tea & a biccies have to be factored into the overall cost when one is doing their pre-purchase sums. That could add millions over the life of the EV the way some places charge since Covid.[bigrolf]

Seems the alternative is the vehicle charging point should be fitted to the Driver's or even Passenger's (or both for the just in case situation)door frame as a compromise. Silly? You bet. the manufacturers are probably paying stupid money for some engineer's salary to consider these things in our new world.


Just sayin':rulez:

We must all do our bit for the planet.

I just unplugged an entire row of electric cars, that no one was using.

Tombie, any possibility you are related to Spudfan?[bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by Tombie

We must all do our bit for the planet.

I just unplugged an entire row of electric cars, that no one was using.

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In the UK they do a better job,they cut off the leads and take them down to the scrap place[bighmmm][biggrin]

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Originally Posted by Hogarthde

Tombie, any possibility you are related to Spudfan?[bigwhistle]

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Only if his sister in law is spud's missus.
[bigrolf]

MG got its last service from me- $200 was not a problem - Pick up time verbal Report included Oil, Oil filter and ....... [bigwhistle] That was remove when I asked where they put it[bigrolf][bigrolf][bigrolf]

My sons Kia service at 5,000km or by date due last week cost ME $400+ [bawl][bawl][bawl][bawl] That more than the two services on the EV over its life so far!

I do need to find some cash to change to the 400-500km version I have coming in June/July. Washing the Dishes perhaps???[biggrin]

Several new cheaper ones including a rear wheel drive slightly smaller than my XS "MG will launch replacements for the MG 3 and ZS by the end of 2024, plus a refreshed HS and the new Cyberste" Insider information suggested both the New XS and 4 ev may be here in July. "The Chinese brand has revealed prices for the long-range version of its ZS EV and confirmed the new MG4 small electric hatchback will arrive in the second half of this year."
None can tow the boat yet of course! My solid state battery just might pay for the new car like it did for my current one. I could loose all that money of course- NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE.

So all you need is about 15 years' worth of services and fuel to cover the difference in initial cost between an ICE car and the EV.

Please do not quote how "cheap" it is to own an EV when you are given subsidies by stupid governments promoting coal fired vehicles which embody slavery of children in their components.

About 80% of the population cannot afford EV purchase prices.ie those earning under 100K who are being screwed by government policy again .
Regards PhilipA