EV general discussion

[QUOTE=scarry;3164590]No surprise there,some have no idea how much power Ev's use to charge.

Oh,just change the legislation to make body corporates have to supply the charging points in existing unit blocks.
Its going to be a very game Govt to bring in something like that.
Imagine doing a block of 200 to 300 units. [bigsad][biggrin]
Particularly a high rise with a very small roof area,so solar would not be suitable.

And work utes,charging them on site,that is never going to happen.
Residential house site,maybe 3 to 6 utes there a day parked on the street.
Leads running everywhere,that is going to go down well with WH&S
Small commercial site,10 to 20 utes parked close by,no hope of getting power to them to charge.
And like Tombie said,who is going to pay for the power,and the upgraded temporary switchboard,etc, for the job?

Hydrogen or hybrids are what is needed,EV for commercial vans,utes,used all day every day,loaded and often dragging trailers,is not going to happen for a while.
In fact quite a few are saying battery tech has actually stalled,there are going to be no real improvements in the near future.
Sure we hear about this and that,but its not going to happen for quite a while if ever.

Mate of mine has a new RRS coming,hopefully sometime in the next year or so.It is a hybrid,battery does around 120Km,uses a 7KW home charger for 6 hours when battery is flat,so thats around 30Amps,if my maths is correct?Maybe Gav would know?
If so,thats a huge amount of power.An extension lead is going to warm up a bit[bighmmm]
It is petrol,the published fuel economy is around 1L/100Km,looks like they fudged the figures somehow[biggrin][biggrin]
Heavy as well,weighs something like 400 to 500KG more than the diesel model,and very expensive.[/QUOt TE]

Find it almost impossible to believe Docklands power supply could not deal with a few three phase or a single phase power point or 100[thumbsupbig]

The fast charge points might be a bit more tricky? there are 8 Chargefox FAST Charging Station Electric vehicle charging station at 167 Tarcombe St Euroa VIC which have a cool little solar PV and battery to store and provide the power not drain the grid there at a rate it could not handle.

The conspiracy theory some put out is clearly biased by a dislike of the technology - It is fair enough to not like the current tech[thumbsupbig] Philip's electrician might need to go back to school

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

The conspiracy theory some put out is clearly biased by a dislike of the technology - It is fair enough to not like the current tech[thumbsupbig] Philip's electrician might need to go back to school

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I dont think its always a dislike for the tech.

Its the reality of how many will be needed,and the power they use.
People want convenience,they dont want to be hanging around waiting hours for a charger to be free,as it is being used.

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Originally Posted by scarry

I dont think its always a dislike for the tech.

Its the reality of how many will be needed,and the power they use.
People want convenience,they dont want to be hanging around waiting hours for a charger to be free,as it is being used.

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Exactly. Local servo has 6 pumps, a quick observation shows about 4 are in use most of the time. Peak periods and holidays it can have a line up the street!

Average fill takes about 5 min.

That’s 11 fills per hour per pump almost!
Now let’s replace with EVs and see how many we would need.

You’ll have to charge here to make it to Port Lincoln, so I’m guessing we’re talking 15-20 high speed chargers so we can turn one over every 20 min or so… (on a quiet day).

Now multiple for docklands…. Yikes!

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Originally Posted by scarry

It is petrol, the published fuel economy is around 1L/100Km,looks like they fudged the figures somehow[biggrin][biggrin]

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If that's the PHEV, that'll be the first 100km when you get to use up the battery. But the RRS PHEV claims up to 125km on the battery and 7.2l/100km overall, so I wonder how that figure was calculated?

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

If that's the PHEV, that'll be the first 100km when you get to use up the battery. But the RRS PHEV claims up to 125km on the battery and 7.2l/100km overall, so I wonder how that figure was calculated?

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I can help you with that [thumbsupbig] https://www.centreonconstitutionalch...?itok=SgWp3lZQ


The range and fuel consumption guides are in the same vein of rubbish if ICE and EV[biggrin]

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

If that's the PHEV, that'll be the first 100km when you get to use up the battery. But the RRS PHEV claims up to 125km on the battery and 7.2l/100km overall, so I wonder how that figure was calculated?

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Yes a PHV,510E.

A "claimed" 7.2L/100 isn't far from a "claimed" amount for a diesel same sort of sized vehicle.
But it is a petrol and pretty heavy as well,carting a huge battery around.

But i suppose if you only do short trips,one can just use the battery,no fuel?

If it takes 6 hours to charge using a 7KW charger,when flat,is that 30A,240V?
That is a heap of power.

Where is Gav when we need him?

I wonder how it will go with a car fridge and dual battery set up for camping ?
Maybe just use the car battery with some sort of step down tranny or whatever.

Many EVs can now recharge to 80% in an hour using a fast charger.
Ford's 150 Lightening is equipped to recharge power tools at worksites.
Most utes and vans will soon be available in EV versions, which already are sold overseas.
Tradies already recharge tools at worksites, so that will continue.

Existing buildings will have to be upgraded. All that remains is for states to agree on how long is allowed to do it.

The infrastructure network certainly needs massive upgrading, which is why the federal government is budgeting to spend about $30b on infrastructure upgrades.

Some of that will go into Qld's $62b energy plan announced this week. Three supergrids are planned to link to Brisbane, Gladstone and Cairns.
Coal generation will continue until it is made redundant by pumped hydro, hydrogen, batteries, solar and wind. The Burdekin pumped hydro alone will be bigger than Snowy Hydro. These are massive projects.
Many coal workers will transfer into new jobs in the upgraded system.
Steel will be made using hydrogen and electricity generated by renewable, making it exempt from emissions import duties in major markets overseas.
Interesting also AGL has made a commercial decision to close Victoria's largest coal station 10 years early, under pressure from investors who refuse to fund stranded assets. That's a commercial decision, not government. Investors want renewables.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Many EVs can now recharge to 80% in an hour using a fast charger.
Ford's 150 Lightening is equipped to recharge power tools at worksites.
Most utes and vans will soon be available in EV versions, which already are sold overseas.
Tradies already recharge tools at worksites, so that will continue.

Existing buildings will have to be upgraded. All that remains is for states to agree on how long is allowed to do it.

The infrastructure network certainly needs massive upgrading, which is why the federal government is budgeting to spend about $30b on infrastructure upgrades.

Some of that will go into Qld's $62b energy plan announced this week. Three supergrids are planned to link to Brisbane, Gladstone and Cairns.
Coal generation will continue until it is made redundant by pumped hydro, hydrogen, batteries, solar and wind. The Burdekin pumped hydro alone will be bigger than Snowy Hydro. These are massive projects.
Many coal workers will transfer into new jobs in the upgraded system.
Steel will be made using hydrogen and electricity generated by renewable, making it exempt from emissions import duties in major markets overseas.
Interesting also AGL has made a commercial decision to close Victoria's largest coal station 10 years early, under pressure from investors who refuse to fund stranded assets. That's a commercial decision, not government. Investors want renewables.

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30 Billion won't even begin to scratch the surface for what's needed - this is for the major feeder works for the renewables going in everywhere which is great for getting the power around the eastern seaboard, but will do nothing to get an outlet near an EV where it's needed.

I can just see a 150 lightning owner charging his and his mates tools all day then not having enough power to get home. [bigwhistle][bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by Homestar

30 Billion won't even begin to scratch the surface for what's needed - this is for the major feeder works for the renewables going in everywhere which is great for getting the power around the eastern seaboard, but will do nothing to get an outlet near an EV where it's needed.

I can just see a 150 lightning owner charging his and his mates tools all day then not having enough power to get home. [bigwhistle][bigrolf]

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They must be some BIG TOOLs[thumbsupbig] 150 is "100ish to 140ish kwh" battery size. My biggest tool battery is "2 Pack For 18V Makita Battery Replacement | BL1890B 9000mAh Li-ion Battery"

for my lawn mower. ( My drill ones are smaller and run it fine) The 900mAh are about 162Wh An ant army of them might kill my little MG 42kWh [biggrin]

My sparky and I were chatting about this last week. Noting he is often carrying a lot of batteries like mine at work about. A 150 lightning charge could DC to DC charge 10 to 13 of my 10kWh flow batteries each of which could charge every traddie in sights tools for a week I think. before drained of power and not ready to drive home.

My electrical maths might be off of course.[bigrolf]

Yeah but remember towing a trailer it will only get from your house to the pub and back on a charge. [emoji56]

I’m being facetious of course but I had a little giggle at the thought. [emoji16]