EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Tombie

A significant number of major advances made by man in the last 300 years have often been reviewed later only to find significant flaws in the logic.

One may wonder if in 50-100 years we will look at our current trajectory and feel the same.

Our latest plans still are intent on extracting and processing enormous quantities of non renewable minerals to create systems we are heralding as sustainable. All the while covering the landscape with significant areas of hardware.

Time will judge it’s success.

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Fully agree Tombie. "145 years after Jules Verne dreamed up a hydrogen future, it has arrived" "In his book The Mysterious Island, Verne wrote of a world where “water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable”."

My hope is we have several options not rules. I'd have to have my head in the sand to ignore changes we can all see already. Not paranoid happily. When I get my Disco back its still being used until a suitable option is ready.

This is interesting.

Toyota plans revolutionary solid state battery for 2021

I rented a house at Sandy Point (Vic) last week and I saw more Teslas in one place than I've ever seen before - mostly Xs but a few Ss too.

The other vehicle that seemed to be in every driveway was the Discovery 4 ....

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

The other vehicle that seemed to be in every driveway was the Discovery 4 ....

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backup for when the tesla breaks down

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Originally Posted by Eevo

backup for when the tesla breaks down

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The ICE car industry is breaking faster in many places Eevo [biggrin] Every one ran away from OZ[bawl]


"If governments create situations that destroy the business model, we stop investing of course", said Mr Tavares.
"If we are told that in 2030 internal combustion engines cannot be sold in the UK - which we respect as a decision from the country - then are not going to invest in internal combustion engines any more. Because that makes no sense", he added.




The head of Vauxhall's parent company has warned that it will no longer invest in pure diesel or petrol cars at its Ellesmere Port plant

Vauxhall: Future of Ellesmere Port hangs in the balance - BBC News
I appreciate they are fishing for CASH from the UK gov to change and keep the 1000 odd employees[bigwhistle]

Vauxhall is just becoming a subsidiary/member company of Stellantis.

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Stellantis N.V. ("of (he/it that) brightens with stars";^[3][4][5] from the Latin verb stello)^[6][7] is a Dutch-based multinational automotive manufacturing corporation resulting from the merger of French automaker Groupe PSA and Italian-American automaker Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, following completion of a 50-50 merger agreement.^[6] Registered in the Netherlands, the group includes 14 brands: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram and Vauxhall. The name Stellantis is exclusively in use as a corporate brand, while its brands' names and logos remain unchanged.^[6]
The company has 400,000 employees, a presence in more than 130 countries with manufacturing facilities in 30 countries.^[8] The group plans to have 39 electrified vehicles available by the end of 2021.^[9]

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^{What a disaster waiting to happen.
I doubt that the Vauxhall brand will last longer than a couple of years
As Cadogan points out the French Government is a shareholder so French plants are probably safe.
Regards PhilipA}

Others are pointing out that there will be no where near enough power to charge all these EV's,if this happens.

And much of the needed power will have to come from fossil fuels.

Times are definitely getting very difficult for vehicle manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Vauxhall is just becoming a subsidiary/member company of Stellantis.



What a disaster waiting to happen.
I doubt that the Vauxhall brand will last longer than a couple of years
As Cadogan points out the French Government is a shareholder so French plants are probably safe.
Regards PhilipA[/SUP][/FONT][/COLOR]

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Well at least that’s most of the crap brands all piled in together now - makes them easier to avoid. [emoji56]

This was interesting. Honda just did a JV with these guys
this FC runs on natural gas, hydrogen or bio gas makes options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZT5...ature=emb_logo

A few weeks ago they did an item which grabbed my attention with "Ceres and Bosch scale up to mass production 8 December 2020"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WE-HHGBX2U&feature=emb_logo

The scale of Boschs investment and now Honda make me wonder if this might be one to watch closely.

Have to add Bosch is not perfect as it did back ( and continues to) Nikola with a flashback to 25 August 2019 before NKA sort of imploded.

https://www.bosch.com/stories/hydrogen-trucks/

I just came across this in WUWT . I haven't quoted the whole article just the section relating to EVs.

It seems that the German grid is so unstable now that they are on the edge of blackouts.

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Cutting off e-vehicle battery chargers and industry
To deal with the power grid problems, Germany’s Economics Minister Peter Altmaier presented a draft law that would allow electric utilities “to temporarily cut off charging power for e-cars when there is once again too little electricity available”, an idea known as “peak smoothing”.
“Shutdowns due to power shortages have been practiced for some time. Aluminum smelters, for example, have to put up with having their power cut off for limited periods of time,” reports Tichys Einblick. “These, like refrigerated storage facilities, consume great amounts. It’s a dangerous game because after three hours the molten metal has solidified and the factory is ruined.”
Situation now “too critical”
The situation in the German power grid has deteriorated so much that Tichys Einblick also comments: “The situation in the power grids has become too critical. The only thing that helps are abstruse ideas like: ‘You are not allowed to refuel your car from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. every day!’”

A law that would allow for “peak smoothing” has been demanded by power utilities for some time now as they struggle to keep the increasingly wind and solar powered grid from careening out of control and into blackness. In other words: targeted blackouts.
And as Tichy Einblick mentions, the increasing number of cars on the market will only serve to cause more extreme power demand peaks. Currently Germany is set to make a major push into electric mobility this year.

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Ah the future .
Regards PhilipA