EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by scarry

In real world driving,how many EV’s currently available,can do that type of mileage from one charge?

And remember,in reality one needs a fair margin or you will have no forward progress on the side of the road somewhere.Or have to find a charging point somewhere and possibly sit in a que and then wait for an hour or so for the vehicle to charge.

For the record,we did 398 km yesterday in our daily,loaded.Didn’t go anywhere today though.

Our work vans often do well over 350 km a day,and that is loaded,ladders on roof,etc.
Sometimes towing.

I am not against EV’s at all,I think they are a great idea,but for the majority,they don’t suit,or are too inconvenient in their current form.
That’s one of the reasons their sales are so poor.

Lots of who har about them by some on here,but who actually owns one?
And if they do,is it their daily driver?

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Point is, how many people - who aren't driving commercially - do 400km a day?

The original comment was that unless EVs had 400+ km range they weren't practical - but, as I said, how many people would exhaust the range of an EV in one day whilst they were driving around? Given that you can recharge at home at the end of the day.

The biggest selling EV to date is the first generation Leaf and that has about 150km - 200km range, which seems to have worked for a lot of people. More range is better of course ....

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Originally Posted by Eevo

last time i checked aust has 26million people.

if the ABS cant be that right, they need to be dissolved.

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Maybe you missed the bit about "employed people over the age of 15 years ?

Seems reasonable to me that there would be 10 million employed and over the age of 15.

Unless you think that all 25 million Australians are employed and driving to work?

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Already issues with waiting at chargers in the US.

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Is this what you're referring to?

Long queues at Tesla Supercharger station raises questions about the readiness of the EV market - MSPoweruser

In California, at Thanksgiving. Not an everyday occurrence.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Maybe you missed the bit about "employed people over the age of 15 years ?

Seems reasonable to me that there would be 10 million employed and over the age of 15.

Unless you think that all 25 million Australians are employed and driving to work?

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i read it, it sounds like cherry picking. only employed people drive?

Were you aware that the Australian grid is crashing because of EVs? No, I wasn't either, but it must be true because it's written at this climate denialist's website:

The half-mile electric car charging queue in the US << JoNova

"In other achievements EV’s are already causing some grid failures in Australia (and we hardly have any EV’s)"

Curious about this, I followed the link and it turned out to be her quoting Robert Gottliebsen - writing in the Australian - about a unnamed acquaintance of his who supposedly lived in an unnamed street in Melbourne where because Teslas were charging the street was being blacked out. Not, you'll note "the grid", being the whole electricity system.

Right.

Renew did an article about this claim:

https://reneweconomy.com.au/murdoch-media-and-the-myth-about-tesla-evs-causing-blackouts-84284/

and actually spoke to the grid operators, who said:

" “In regards to home EV chargers, they are not causing reliability issues, such as outages, on our networks,” said Emma Tyner, who speaks on behalf of Powercor, Citipower and United Energy.

“We have not had blackouts or major network issues caused by EVs in our network,” said Helena Lilley, from Ausnet."

Nonetheless, that baseless claim is still up there on the climate denialists website.

If people are reading that kind of crap is it any wonder that EVs are seen as negatively as they are?

Meanwhile, in countries like Japan, free of this kind of idiocy, people are just getting on with it and buying lots of EVs.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i read it, it sounds like cherry picking. only employed people drive?

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Huh? It's talking about the average length of a commute for people who are employed. Only employed people commute to work. People without jobs, by definition, don't go to work. Therefore they don't commute. Reference to driving was mine, but the ABS just referred to commuting:


The Place of Usual Residence (the area where a person usually lives) and Place of Work (the area where a person usually works) of employed people over the age of 15 years were collected in the 2016 Census of Population and Housing. The distance between these two locations represents commuting distance on the journey to work. The ABS has calculated data on commuting distances based on the assumption that a person has followed the shortest road network path, or where this was not possible a straight line distance, with no stops when commuting to work. This data can inform policy and research around the commuting behaviours of Australians and highlight differences across the country in the design and sustainability of towns and cities.

Accompanying this data are Interactive Maps that have been created to visualise the commuting distances of employed Australians by Statistical Area Level 2(SA2s). SA2s are medium-sized general purpose areas, which represent a community that interacts together both socially and economically. The maps can be viewed from Interactive Maps - Commuting Distance, just use a keyword area like ‘Melbourne’ to get started:

• Commuting Distance from Place of Usual Residence
• Commuting Distance to Place of Work

This article has focused on the concept of ‘everyday commutes’ and as such data on average commuting distances has only included commutes less than 250 kilometres (km). This threshold is considered a likely maximum distance for a daily commute and has been based on previous analysis conducted by the Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics (BITRE) in the Australia's commuting distance: cities and regions paper.

More information on the methodology for calculating distance to work can be found in the Explanatory Notes tab at the top of this page.


AVERAGE DISTANCE FROM PLACE OF USUAL RESIDENCE

This section of the article explores the distance people travel to work based on the area where they live. In Australia, the average commuting distance people travelled from their place of usual residence was 16.0 kilometres (km). Around 7.4 million people (or 73% of employed people over the age of 15 years) commuted a distance of less than 20 km to work.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Huh? It's talking about the average length of a commute for people who are employed. Only employed people commute to work. People without jobs, by definition, don't go to work. Therefore they don't commute. Reference to driving was mine, but the ABS just referred to commuting:

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and no one else drives a car? what a meaningless statistic.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

How many people do more than 400km per day?

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Me
Mrs Tombie
at least 10-15 others I know directly.
And half of the people on the Iron Triangle.

Too many trade offs at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

I think EV’s would work as a second car for the majority of people - and I think a lot of families know this - but won’t pay what it costs to get into one and is worried about warranty and how long they’d get out of one.

They simply don’t make economic sense and until they do, their sales will always fall short of where they should be.

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Exactly.

Mum is looking to replace her ageing vehicle and spoke to me about getting a PHEV.
My response - find the vehicle you like and just buy the normal one.

She will long have given up driving before she comes close to spending the difference

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Originally Posted by Eevo

and no one else drives a car? what a meaningless statistic.

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Again ... the ABS was discussing how far people who commute to work travel.

And, according the 2016 census, 73% of those people who commute to work do less than 20km. So, if they were driving, they're not going to need 800km range.