EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Me
Mrs Tombie
at least 10-15 others I know directly.
And half of the people on the Iron Triangle.
Too many trade offs at the moment.

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You live in Whyalla. I grew up in the Wimmera and used to do a couple of hours on the schoolbus every day, but that experience wasn't common even in my country town. I'd suspect that a couple of my siblings would do 50,000km a year with their work and sport commitments, but, again, that's not typical in Australia.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Again ... the ABS was discussing how far people who commute to work travel.

And, according the 2016 census, 73% of those people who commute to work do less than 20km. So, if they were driving, they're not going to need 800km range.

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If it’s their “only runs to work” vehicle.

The whole popularity of Dual cabs for example was that tradies could use it all day and on the evenings/weekend it could be used to haul the family around.

I want a vehicle that can do everything to some extent.
Run me to work,
Run my to the next town,
Run me to Adelaide and back same day,
Tow it’s rated mass with a reasonable range,
Fuel up in under 5 min.


I still have my Cybertruck order in, so I want to see this stuff take off, at the moment it isn’t good enough

I looked at the practicality of a used Nissan Leaf as they are under $20K second hand and usually have about 120Km range left.

My wife does only about 20Km a day but every 2 weeks or so will go to a golf course maybe 100Km away.

We live at the Central Coast and my son lives in Kellyville so about 160KM or more on the M1 which of course can have an accident at any time.

So this just disqualifies a Nissan Leaf .
This is what is available today , not maybe 10 years time.

Regards PhilipA

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Originally Posted by Eevo

last time i checked aust has 26million people.

if the ABS cant be that right, they need to be dissolved.

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That's 75% of the workforce, not the population.

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Maybe there if parking is controlled by councils - but in shopping centers where the rules do not apply (except disabled) then all the shopping centre can do if a non EV is in the charging spot is to ask the offender to leave.

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That parking station is run by a company, which is why it costs about twice as much as council parking.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Less than 20 K a day,75% of people?

Does that include their commute on public transport,or their commute in their vehicles?

It wasn’t too long ago someone was harping on here about the average K’s done a year by cars is 15000.

So someone has their maths not right.

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The ABS did the survey. The details are in there. I posted the link.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Exactly.

Mum is looking to replace her ageing vehicle and spoke to me about getting a PHEV.
My response - find the vehicle you like and just buy the normal one.

She will long have given up driving before she comes close to spending the difference

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Lots of second hand PHEVs and Hybrids around. They are a good interim choice until EVs take over.

I'm seeing lots of hybrid Camrys and Corollas, for example. The economics definitely stack up for them. That's why so many taxis are hybrid Camrys. Taxi operators are totally hard-nosed and wouldn't go hybrid until it saved them money.
What's not to like about your first 20ks or so being on electric? That covers about three quarters of most peoples' trips.

I posted a link above to a site with the details of all the EVs currently sold in Oz. Some have a range of well over the 3-400 Ks I mentioned above.

It just surprises me that some people are determined to reject EVs, even when they have to contort themselves and stand on their heads to do it. It's not political, it's just progress. What's to fear?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

last time i checked aust has 26million people.

if the ABS cant be that right, they need to be dissolved.

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Did you check the date on the ABS article?

Unless the last time you checked was in 2016, you comment is pointless.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

I looked at the practicality of a used Nissan Leaf as they are under $20K second hand and usually have about 120Km range left.

My wife does only about 20Km a day but every 2 weeks or so will go to a golf course maybe 100Km away.

We live at the Central Coast and my son lives in Kellyville so about 160KM or more on the M1 which of course can have an accident at any time.

So this just disqualifies a Nissan Leaf .
This is what is available today , not maybe 10 years time.

Regards PhilipA

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Prices still need to fall on new ones with longer range so they become more common on the second hand market.
As an interim measure another option might be a PHEV or Hybrid, such as the small Toyota PriusC, so short trips could be electric. Fuel economy 3.9 l/100kms and a range of 900 kms, so what's not to like?
I just checked and there are currently 59 Prius Cs on Car sales.

Check out these cars: carsales.com.au

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Were you aware that the Australian grid is crashing because of EVs? No, I wasn't either, but it must be true because it's written at this climate denialist's website:

The half-mile electric car charging queue in the US << JoNova

"In other achievements EV’s are already causing some grid failures in Australia (and we hardly have any EV’s)"

Curious about this, I followed the link and it turned out to be her quoting Robert Gottliebsen - writing in the Australian - about a unnamed acquaintance of his who supposedly lived in an unnamed street in Melbourne where because Teslas were charging the street was being blacked out. Not, you'll note "the grid", being the whole electricity system.

Right.

Renew did an article about this claim:

https://reneweconomy.com.au/murdoch-media-and-the-myth-about-tesla-evs-causing-blackouts-84284/

and actually spoke to the grid operators, who said:

" “In regards to home EV chargers, they are not causing reliability issues, such as outages, on our networks,” said Emma Tyner, who speaks on behalf of Powercor, Citipower and United Energy.

“We have not had blackouts or major network issues caused by EVs in our network,” said Helena Lilley, from Ausnet."

Nonetheless, that baseless claim is still up there on the climate denialists website.

If people are reading that kind of crap is it any wonder that EVs are seen as negatively as they are?

Meanwhile, in countries like Japan, free of this kind of idiocy, people are just getting on with it and buying lots of EVs.

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Even though the facts in the article may not be correct,the issue of where the power will come from and the huge upgrades that will be needed to the current electrical system is another issue many seem to have forgotten about,or ignore.

Sure some may come from solar,if people have a system that will do the job at home,but many will be using charging stations elsewhere.

As an example imagine the power that needs to be available for a medium sized shopping centre that has a couple of hundred charging points.

Not one service station that has been built in Aus in the last two years,and that is around 200,has any infrastructure for charging EV’s.This is due to the huge cost of infrastructure to provide the power that is needed.

As I have said before,sure they may suit some,but for many they won’t.