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Jaguar Land Rover is promising to make only electric cars from 2025 for the Jaguar brand, with the Land Rover brand to also offer electric versions from 2024, CEO Thierry Bolloré announced on Monday (UK time), as the iconic British brands undertake a major shift to net-zero operations.
The announcement forms a key part of the brand’s “Reimagine” global strategy which seeks to evoke a “sustainability-rich reimagination of modern luxury, unique customer experiences, and positive societal impact.” It also comes after the UK government announced it would ban sales of petrol or diesel cars from 2030.

Jaguar to go all electric from 2025, Land Rover to follow (thedriven.io)

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Originally Posted by bob10

Jaguar Land Rover is promising to make only electric cars from 2025 for the Jaguar brand, with the Land Rover brand to also offer electric versions from 2024, CEO Thierry Bolloré announced on Monday (UK time), as the iconic British brands undertake a major shift to net-zero operations.
The announcement forms a key part of the brand’s “Reimagine” global strategy which seeks to evoke a “sustainability-rich reimagination of modern luxury, unique customer experiences, and positive societal impact.” It also comes after the UK government announced it would ban sales of petrol or diesel cars from 2030.

Jaguar to go all electric from 2025, Land Rover to follow (thedriven.io)

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There goes 75% of their global market, in the medium term at least. They'll sell in California I guess.

There's a learning curve for someone here, but who exactly? Boris has three years to convince people he's doing the right thing, and people over there are ****ed at him for the backflips he has already performed. I reckon Nigel is licking his lips...

I know people believe that EVs and fuel cell cars are the future. So, let the market decide. When was the last time a politician was right about anything?

we need a poll.
what year do you think you'lll buy your first EV?


i cant see myself getting one in the next 10-15 years.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

we need a poll.
what year do you think you'lll buy your first EV?


i cant see myself getting one in the next 10-15 years.

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When the range suits my use.
I do still have the deposit on the Cybertruck!

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Originally Posted by Tombie

When the range suits my use.
I do still have the deposit on the Cybertruck!

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Maybe should have paid the deposit in Bitcoin, could be fully paid for by the time they get here.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

When the range suits my use.
I do still have the deposit on the Cybertruck!

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range and convience.

i'll take electric motorbikes for example. as ive researched them quite a bit.

either its cheap chinese crap that doesn't have the range

or its so expensive that the general bike population cant afford it.
one of the expensive manufactures has already pulled out of australia. despite best efforts, they didnt come close to matching ICE bike's in price.

only electric bike i could consider on its merits is the harley, but at 50k new..... no thanks.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

we need a poll.
what year do you think you'lll buy your first EV?


i cant see myself getting one in the next 10-15 years.

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IF I win the lottery before I die then.... never. But, given the lottery thing, I would definitely consider an OKA with a fuel cell.

By the time EVs deliver the range, convenience and the ZERO emissions the pundits claim I expect to be either dead or dribbling into my gruel.

Eevo, you need to add autonomous driving to your poll. Here's your first vote: NEVER, not on your nellie. Might work, with a lot of angst, in Manhattan. With Musk in control, I expect it to also work on Mars. But it won't work on the CSR. Not in my lifetime.

When I will buy one? Probably never - can’t see them being viable or affordable in the timeframe I’ll need cars within my lifetime. I would like to convert an old series or similar to EV for tooling around town, etc but not sure if I’ll get the chance for that either.

I think by the time EV’s are cheap enough for joe public, we’ll be moving to hydrogen/fuel cells not batteries so they will have the range and quick fuelling capability we need. Batteries are the problem with EV’s, not the rest of the vehicle, you just need something else to make the electricity. 👍

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Originally Posted by Tins

I know people believe that EVs and fuel cell cars are the future. So, let the market decide. When was the last time a politician was right about anything?

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Who in their right mind would believe what a politician says is going to happen in 10 or 20 yrs time?

Or the CEO’s of some of these vehicle manufacturers.

All most politicians are doing is beating their chests to grab a few votes,having no idea WTF is going on in the real world.

No doubt there will be quite a few backflips in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Who in their right mind would believe what a politician says is going to happen in 10 or 20 yrs time?

Or the CEO’s of some of these vehicle manufacturers.

All most politicians are doing is beating their chests to grab a few votes,having no idea WTF is going on in the real world.

No doubt there will be quite a few backflips in the next few years.

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Fully agree to waiting for a suitable range, capability and other needs before jumping. Suspect it might be a bit faster than you might think. RFX new gen 3 battery is possibly 30% cheaper even at the lower volumes they are making. I happily still use the stupidly expensive ones I brought years ago which have paid for themselves several times over now[thumbsupbig]

Quantimscape, Toyota and others newer much cheaper much higher capacity and charge rates solid state batteries are probably the infliction point in price as it is cheaper to make them and the GIGA scale manufacturing plants under construction.
None of us had or could afford solar in 1976. Farmers wind mills are now often solar pumps now I hear. That may also giving us an indication of the significant changes bought about by lower costs. [biggrin]

Try the price graph in this link for some idea/possiblity of what is about to occur with Batteries and Hydrogen options. Solar PV module prices - Our World in Data

Solar has moved from over $100 per KwH to about $0.38 is interesting? Cheaper than a windmill is a little sad as I like windmills :)