EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Homestar;3164841

I can just see a 150 lightning owner charging his and his mates tools all day then not having enough power to get home. [bigwhistle

[bigrolf]

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He will also be happy going home,paying for the power to charge the battery in the ute, that all his mates have used[bigrolf]
Its really nothing new,many tradies these days have a dual battery set up in their work utes(Camping utes) and charge cordless drills,but only last resort,if there is not power around for whatever reason.
Although temporary power is usually one of the first things to go onto a building site.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Yes a PHV,510E. ...

But i suppose if you only do short trips,one can just use the battery,no fuel?

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Yep, you'd probably find that from day to day you'd barely use the engine. For context, the best electric-only range of a PHEV that I'm aware of is the Sorento PHEV, which has a range of 68km. and apparently a lot of people find that's enough for all of their day to day driving, so even if it's only in practice 100km range that'd still mean in practice not using more than a litre or two of fuel.

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Originally Posted by scarry

If it takes 6 hours to charge using a 7KW charger,when flat,is that 30A,240V?
That is a heap of power.

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Yes, it's got a 38.2 kW battery - the current cheaper Nissan Leaf has just 39 kW .... so it's almost got more battery than the globally biggest selling dedicated EV. Still, the Leaf gets 270km range from that, not the 125km claimed.

NB, this is the same package that's also in the new Range Rover PHEV.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Interesting also AGL has made a commercial decision to close Victoria's largest coal station 10 years early, under pressure from investors who refuse to fund stranded assets. That's a commercial decision, not government. Investors want renewables.

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Yep, and that's been accepted in the industry for well over a decade - no-one wants to put money into an asset with a 30 year payback period (with the actual profit coming in the last 5 years) when it will be scrap within 10 years - you'd never get to the repayment phase, and you probably wouldn't even get to break-even.

These decisions aren't being made by greenies, it's hard-headed bankers with spreadsheets.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Yep, and that's been accepted in the industry for well over a decade - no-one wants to put money into an asset with a 30 year payback period (with the actual profit coming in the last 5 years) when it will be scrap within 10 years - you'd never get to the repayment phase, and you probably wouldn't even get to break-even.

These decisions aren't being made by greenies, it's hard-headed bankers with spreadsheets.

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Was that an auto-correct? Should it start with "W" and not "B" ?

First EV ute?

Tradies and all of those people just wanting to “ruin their weekend,” rejoice – an all-electric ute is finally being made available to Australian drivers.
In what is being labelled a “fundamental step-change” in its strategy, SAIC-owned LDV has confirmed it will introduce the eT60 all-electric ute to the Australian market.

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“In the first half of 2022, 2.4 million EVs were delivered to customers in China, more than double the total annual new car market in Australia,” Chinnappa said.

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Link

Its range will suite some. "It is already on sale in New Zealand (billed as the “EV for the Kiwi” on LDV’s NZ website) for $NZ79,990. Although LDV Australia today has not announced local pricing, a quick conversion suggests pricing may fall around the $A70,000 mark.
That’s about the same as the latest Ford Ranger Wildtrak V6, or Toyota Hilux Rogue."

Pricing might be of interest give it is comparable to wildtrak and a rogue [bigwhistle]

The acknowledged possible 50% hit to range for towing and "

charged from 20-80% in 45 minutes on a DC fast charger, or from 5-100% on an 11kW AC charger in around 9 hours.

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A trickle charge at a work site for 8 hours would add at about 2 -3 kWh per hour meaning range recover for a <100km daily round trip is very easy. It would be a few hours off peak with a home wall box.
LDV Australia web site

Not for me unless a suitable hydrogen Fuel Cell Generator for my vaccine fridge arrives soon[bigwhistle]

Useless for the work we do.

An 11kw charger draws around 46Amps,for 9 hours?
That is going to warm up the standard mains cables at any residence.....Just imagine,we have to charge up the sons EV as well tonight,oh and maybe the wifes car?
Cold showers anyone,and i will order take away,we cant use the cooker.Lights out,head torches it is[biggrin]
All fun and games
And will no doubt be no hope on a standard residential solar system.

And quick charge,will only work at a commercial place,etc,thats if you have time to wait around for an hour or so.

Ok,on topic.....[biggrin]

I wonder what they will think of next?


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Originally Posted by scarry

Useless for the work we do.

An 11kw charger draws around 46Amps,for 9 hours?
That is going to warm up the standard mains cables at any residence.....Just imagine,we have to charge up the sons EV as well tonight,oh and maybe the wifes car?
Cold showers anyone,and i will order take away,we cant use the cooker.Lights out,head torches it is[biggrin]
All fun and games
And will no doubt be no hope on a standard residential solar system.

And quick charge,will only work at a commercial place,etc,thats if you have time to wait around for an hour or so.

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Any wall charger over 7kWh is 3 phase I think. That might make a difference to the calculation in the cable warming. Mine is stupidly a single phase which could max out at 7kWh except we throttled it as I have five heat pumps on that sub board which has 3 phase[bighmmm] Stupid me assumed sparky was running it from the main board until he remained me of the sub board he had installed. I could have had a 22 kWh for the same price as I paid for the little one. DOH

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Any wall charger over 7kWh is 3 phase I think. That might make a difference to the calculation in the cable warming. Mine is stupidly a single phase which could max out at 7kWh except we throttled it as I have five heat pumps on that sub board which has 3 phase[bighmmm]

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Not many houses are 3 phase,but yes 3 phase would be a lot better.
That is an issue for the Rivian,and LDV,and probably many others?

LR are pushing a 7KW charger for the new RRS,charge from home[bighmmm]
I presumed it was single phase.

Ever checked out how much they charge to fit 3 Phase?

I think I have heard about 5K a long time ago.
Regards PhilipA