EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Homestar

My biggest hurdle to ever owning an EV is how I'd charge it. Street parking at home and street parking at work. Council are already cracking down on extension leads in trees and across footpaths and we've all been sent a letter saying there will be heavy fines for anyone caught doing this due to public safety concerns. So, short of stopping on my way home from work for a couple of hours to recharge (Fat chance) then I'm walking... I know many in similar situations, so even if we wanted to - how would we make them work?

While I'm probably in the minority there are 100,000 of people in inner city and suburbia in the same situation. In England people are getting chargers put o their front fence and hoping a parking spot in the street is available in front of it when they get home - punch ons have occurred already about 'you're in my spot' issues.

The future's looking so good...

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This is a real problem. EV's offer less benefits over ICE if you can't charge at home. And it's OK to say "It's not going to work for me at this point".

At this point though it's ok to focus on people who can charge at home. There are 10.9 million dwellings in Australia and 21.3 million vehicles. Even if only half the houses are suitable for home charging, that's probably 10 million vehicles that would have access to home charging. At the moment there is still less than 200,000 EV's on Australia's roads. Let's focus on the easy wins.

It's likely in years to come that there will be more options for people who can't charge at home.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

This is a real problem. EV's offer less benefits over ICE if you can't charge at home. And it's OK to say "It's not going to work for me at this point".

At this point though it's ok to focus on people who can charge at home. There are 10.9 million dwellings in Australia and 21.3 million vehicles. Even if only half the houses are suitable for home charging, that's probably 10 million vehicles that would have access to home charging. At the moment there is still less than 200,000 EV's on Australia's roads. Let's focus on the easy wins.

It's likely in years to come that there will be more options for people who can't charge at home.

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Well said - if only there was that much sense going around (on both sides) of this conversation.

https://youtu.be/nZysvgm2_Aw'si=HA6H2sIkbsynJFM5

hear hear. Harry has put the finger on most issues with EV's. I guess these are the cowboy years of EV's. Just like the ICE has had. It took a long long time before 6 digit tamper proof ODOmeters came around and even mandatory. We need this exact legislation for batteries. When an ICE has been trashed it usually shows in the engine, not so with a BEV. On the other hand, with warranty's as they are you will find out soon enough so... maybe?

Most governments will not be in any hurry though since that would mean the net result would be that BEV's are just not a good deal, for your pocket or environment (and no I am not just talking CO2, I should make that my signature: when I talk about environment I do not just mean CO2 :P)

-P

Didn’t know if this should be here or in funny pics. [emoji56]

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Didn’t know if this should be here or in funny pics. [emoji56]

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Both!! That's going straight to the pool room

I know he's a bit too anti, but this one is interesting. Should have happened years ago.

https://youtu.be/gXwFL20EB5M'si=FSpTiLp39b5jrVY0

If anyone is looking for the sheet mentioned in Harry's video:

TB test results - Google Sheets

Has some nice real life data in it regarding EV's.

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Originally Posted by Tins

I know he's a bit too anti, but this one is interesting. Should have happened years ago.

https://youtu.be/gXwFL20EB5M'si=FSpTiLp39b5jrVY0

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I didn't bother watching it. Anyone who thinks EV's are "zero emission" is delusional anyway.

What we really need people to do is to stop driving everywhere. Live locally, catch PT, ride, walk. Unfortunately we've poured soo many resources into making cars irresistible that no surprise, we're not getting enough volunteers for the better choices. Yes this won't work for everyone but it's early days yet.

So EV's are better than ICE. That's what we're going for. EV's unlike ICE will continue to get lower emissions as our grid becomes more renewable. That's why the longer we delay the transition the harder it's going to be to hit targets, and the more likely hood that we will have to take measures to actively discourage ICE at some point (sorry).

As an example - I live in a big city. There are lots of transport options. In general the three drivers in this household can use one car. If I need to go to the shops and the car is away I just take the ebike. When I'm in the office I ride. Short trip to the shops for bread and milk.. even the wife now takes the ebike as it's quicker. My kid rides to school (9k return, more if sport) every day. Anyway the upshot is our EV is doing all the city driving. In 8 months of ownership it's never needed to be charged out of the house, and the defender sits at home on charge. It's done 400k since I got back from the Simpson in early Oct - including a week in bribie and a trip to MR. That's right - I haven't been to a servo since we passed through Toowoomba on the way home nearly five months ago, and it's still got half a tank left.

I know this won't work for everyone - often for reasons that are real and not easily changed. But I'm also convinced that many people could try somewhat harder. I acknowledge that that's not a popular opinion, but we're going to have to confront it sometime. In the meantime we need to make it attractive to make better choices.

Yay, let's all live in the city and make the crowding and pollution worse!!! [biggrin] Couldn't think of anything worse myself but each to their own. If we all have to face this inevitable future people speak of let's just hope they put a bus service in (Electric of course) to the millions of Australians that don't have one, let alone multiple public transport options. When I was younger I lived in a Country town that had one bus a day go to the biggest local town (1/2 hour away) and one back. It left at 7.30am and got back at 5.30pm - not ideal to do the shopping run. 40 years later that town has tripled in size and guess what - it still has the same bus service - once a day in and out. I'd imagine this story could be repeated countless times across Australia. Cities get all the money and the Country is left with bugger all - much less per person than any spending that happens in any Capital City. That bus by the way is a smoke belching 20 year old clapped out POS with some guy that's 5 years past retirement is driving until one or both die.

Sorry, short rant over but you see my point - what options do so many have apart from ICE? Not just those without driveways but those that live in Rural areas, don't have public transport, don't have much money - I know whole areas where if you see a car newer than 10 years old you think it's been stolen - we're leaving too many behind in this mad rush IMO.

As for zero emissions - the media is bad for perpetuating this myth - just google zero emission EV and see how many Muppets there are on Youtube sprouting this garbage.