EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

I just can’t see how our infrastructure can cope with all of this extra electricity to run EVs… .,

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It can’t,without major upgrades.
And that is decades of work,yet alone building whatever to produce the huge amount of power that is needed.

[bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

I have probably said this before, and I realise that everyone has different circumstances.

Home - I have solar BUT I can’t pump into the grid as the local infrastructure can’t handle it.
So I either have to buy a home battery system (more money) OR charge during the day when I am at work… Hmm

Winter - we get frosts on a regular basis during winter. Maybe 10-15 a year. The type of frost that means you can’t open your car door..

Work - street parking only. Leave home at 6:30am (still dark in winter). Get home 6:30pm (already dark in winter).

Daily commute - approximately 130km a day if I only go to work and back without any other side trips.

Yearly km - for the last 20 years I have done between 40,000-50,000km a year, NOT including camping trips.

In my situation I can’t see a current EV working, especially considering my home setup.

But I really don’t think that I am on my own - I live approximately 70km from the Melbourne CBD… It’s not like I live in Silverton NSW.

Our local infrastructure is rubbish (no mail delivery, no gas, no street lights, no footpaths, no solar into the grid). We have regular power outages.

I just can’t see how our infrastructure can cope with all of this extra electricity to run EVs…

Let alone route planning and range anxiety. I have never seen all chargers working in our local town. I have never seen all chargers at any given facility - working either..,

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On our farm we were using horses for ploughing and harvesting up until the end of WW2. Not all step-changes occur evenly or quickly, but they do occur.

The funny thing about it is that in my mothers lifetime she'll see our farm go from having no electricity to generating its own electricity to being connected to a grid to going back to mostly generating its own power, because distributed generation is actually more resilient than the networks we've built.

This was in the media.

Blind Freddy could see it was going to happen.
I think they will eventually take over many vehicle models,not just EVs.


Elon Musk, Tesla's CEO, highlighted the formidable strength of Chinese electric automakers, warning that without trade barriers, they could dominate globally. He specifically cited BYD's surpassing Tesla's EV sales and expanding into Europe, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East. This development, coupled with Tesla's projected lower growth in 2023, signals a major shift in the EV market dynamics.

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Originally Posted by scarry

This was in the media.

Blind Freddy could see it was going to happen.
I think they will eventually take over many vehicle models,not just EVs.


Elon Musk, Tesla's CEO, highlighted the formidable strength of Chinese electric automakers, warning that without trade barriers, they could dominate globally. He specifically cited BYD's surpassing Tesla's EV sales and expanding into Europe, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East. This development, coupled with Tesla's projected lower growth in 2023, signals a major shift in the EV market dynamics.

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I just hope their export models are less incendiary than the domestic ones.....

Musk is looking for legislation that enables him to rip his customers off. Fast charging, an expensive, extra, recurring subscription. What else will be extra, every year?
BMW have gone down this route, heated seats and many other options only available as an extra anual cost. Seems nobody ticks the blinker box.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Musk is looking for legislation that enables him to rip his customers off. Fast charging, an expensive, extra, recurring subscription. What else will be extra, every year?
BMW have gone down this route, heated seats and many other options only available as an extra anual cost. Seems nobody ticks the blinker box.

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BMW has retracted it. [emoji41]

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Originally Posted by scarry

It can’t,without major upgrades.
And that is decades of work,yet alone building whatever to produce the huge amount of power that is needed.

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No rush, in a mining forum, the amount of minerals needed will require so many new mines to open up they cannot even remotely begin to meet the forecasted demand.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

No rush, in a mining forum, the amount of minerals needed will require so many new mines to open up they cannot even remotely begin to meet the forecasted demand.

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Good point,i wonder how many have thought of that?

What about finding the people to actually do the work?

Workers, no matter what the industry, are extremely difficult to find now,particularly ones that actually know what they are doing in their particular field.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

BMW has retracted it. [emoji41]

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The blinker option? [wink11][bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

[bighmmm]


On our farm we were using horses for ploughing and harvesting up until the end of WW2. Not all step-changes occur evenly or quickly, but they do occur.

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And all that changed and the world we live in is ALL because of the internal combustion engine. Love it or hate it we’d still be in the dark ages without it. There isn’t a single other invention that has changed the world so much or allowed us the freedom and leisure that we are afforded now - period.

ICE has never had the doubters, sceptics or science proving it is a dumb idea like EV’s has. Your farm has changed dramatically over only a few generations - thank ICE for that, EV’s themselves wouldn’t exist without ICE vehicles.

Again I’ll get labeled as an EV hater but I’m not, they have a great role to play in a mix of different power options in the future but I can’t stomach anyone that uses this argument - it just doesn’t add up.

Sorry - rant over.