Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Its more science than CA JT

My thoughts on it aren't.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I haven't seen a car or bike of mine catch fire happily

I’m not sure any vehicle catches fire happily! 😁

Originally Posted by p38arover

I’m not sure any vehicle catches fire happily! 😁

Perhaps in an insurance claim scam?

Or ND? Flamebike.jpg

One other factor that I just remembered.
A large proportion of EVs have Lifepo4 (called LFP) batteries which do not burn.
Most if not all Tesla model 3 short range have LFP batteries so this would reduce the total EV carpark subject to self immolation by about 50%.
In other words the incidence of fire is about double what the statistics may suggest.
It is the Long Range models which have the incendiary batteries . That is how they get long range with the same size battery pack as the incendiary type batteries have more energy density than the safe ones.
I posted the full list of models with LFP batteries earlier in the thread. They are generally the cheaper models in each range.
Regards PhilipA

One thing that people forget when comparing EV to ICE fires, especially when covered in insurance figures, is a not inconsiderable proportion of ICE fires are arson, or suspected arson.

Even though 'safer', LFP batteries do actually burn and give off toxic gases, but they are more stable then their Lithium based cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07BS6QY3wI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvQ9NEw76G8

Originally Posted by p38arover

I’m not sure any vehicle catches fire happily! 😁

JT brought up the insurance issue It want ME!!!!!!!!!!

While visiting Walhalla in a EV recently
I learned when the GOLD stopped a lot of houses started burning until the Melbourne based Insurance company put a stop to the issue of happy fires for some and unhappy for the the Melbourne based Insurance company


History – Walhalla Goldfields Railway (walhallarail.com.au)

Interesting as well was the train line was finished just as the town was dying really. Great place to visit in your LR's ladies and gents Or the odd EV as well

The key issue that the fire bloke missed is that an LFP battery relies on external oxygen for ignition whereas Lion of other types produce their own oxygen.

This means that if you deprive an LFP of oxygen say with foam then it will go out whereas this is not the case with the other types.
Regards PhilipA'

I just came across this video by Will prowse who has become a guru tester of Lithium batteries.
LiFePO4 Drill Test! Will it erupt in flames? (youtube.com)

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

JT brought up the insurance issue It want ME!!!!!!!!!!

While visiting Walhalla in a EV recently
I learned when the GOLD stopped a lot of houses started burning until the Melbourne based Insurance company put a stop to the issue of happy fires for some and unhappy for the the Melbourne based Insurance company


History – Walhalla Goldfields Railway (walhallarail.com.au)

Interesting as well was the train line was finished just as the town was dying really. Great place to visit in your LR's ladies and gents Or the odd EV as well

Not the only place the railway got there just as the gold ran out - other examples I know of are the Normanton to Croydon and Cooktown to Laura lines in Queensland. Both were completed after the gold ran out, although in the case of Cooktown to Laura, it was never completed to its planned length.