EV general discussion

as a CFS firefighter, we have plently of training on EV fires. EV fires can be be **** scarry, molten lithium... not even my PBI gold PPE will protect me from that!

after 12 years, im pretty confifent i can handle most things, structure fire, bush fires, car crashes, etc. but not EV fires.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

That's not the only issue. when you take into account the luny net zero nutters claims. We have nowhere near enough nickel, copper .... well really, lots of stuff in the world. Not even enough mines exist, even if we could empty the mines tomorrow to even come close to the moronic claims they are making.

Its a world where have blind belief and zero common sense is the only thing that matters.

seeya
Shane L.

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We always seem to find more of what we need if people are prepared to pay for it. "Peak Oil" has been predicted since 1965. Peak oil - Wikipedia.

What cannot be replaced are creatures like the dodo, Tasmania tiger, etc.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

We always seem to find more of what we need if people are prepared to pay for it. "Peak Oil" has been predicted since 1965. Peak oil - Wikipedia.

What cannot be replaced are creatures like the dodo, Tasmania tiger, etc.

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This is a very different thing. Do you understand how much red tape is involved in opening a new copper mine for example (decades). There isn't enough
copper in the worlds mines currently to even come close ... thousands of percent of requirements short.

Its nuts. No-one has claimed for decades peak oil will ever happen. There is huge reserves all over the world yet to be tapped. As the cost of oil increases over the decades/centuries these will become viable to access.

Threads like this are truly eye opening with regards to what poeple believe if the loonies yell it loud enough.

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

No cobalt involved. As is increasingly the case.

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No, but there are people in nations having their lives destroyed and their water source disappearing whilst the companies extract all the nearby lithium they can.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

We always seem to find more of what we need if people are prepared to pay for it. "Peak Oil" has been predicted since 1965. Peak oil - Wikipedia.

What cannot be replaced are creatures like the dodo, Tasmania tiger, etc.

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If you're referring to Climate change due to Carbon, well that's another fallacy in Australia.

Australia is already beyond Carbon Neutral.
Our emissions do not exceed what our country is capable of sequestration. In fact by a pretty bloody decent margin.

We, as a nation, don't produce as much as the country sorts - how good is that [emoji846].

Canberra will tell you we need to pay more, spend more, do more - all for their benefit. Truth is we don't. We can have coal power and be neutral. We could have nuclear and be even more in credit, and cheaper.

None of that suits the narrative?.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

This is a very different thing. Do you understand how much red tape is involved in opening a new copper mine for example (decades). There isn't enough
copper in the worlds mines currently to even come close ... thousands of percent of requirements short.

Its nuts. No-one has claimed for decades peak oil will ever happen. There is huge reserves all over the world yet to be tapped. As the cost of oil increases over the decades/centuries these will become viable to access.

Threads like this are truly eye opening with regards to what poeple believe if the loonies yell it loud enough.

seeya
Shane L.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

If you're referring to Climate change due to Carbon, well that's another fallacy in Australia.

Australia is already beyond Carbon Neutral.
Our emissions do not exceed what our country is capable of sequestration. In fact by a pretty bloody decent margin.

We, as a nation, don't produce as much as the country sorts - how good is that [emoji846].

Canberra will tell you we need to pay more, spend more, do more - all for their benefit. Truth is we don't. We can have coal power and be neutral. We could have nuclear and be even more in credit, and cheaper.

None of that suits the narrative?.

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Says who, some guys on youtube?

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Originally Posted by Tombie

One EV thing had me laughing today.

A group heading to the Mundi Mundi bash includes 2x EVs towing caravans.

Their friend is towing a 17kva Genset behind his Diesel Land Cruiser for them to charge from every 250km.

I'm not joking!

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A genset/stationary engine is more efficient as it runs in it's optimum rev/torque band, and doesn't have to be sized for the fastest speed and power the vehicle will ever have to do. Then if that Genset was diesel and ran on biodiesel, charging those EV's would be very low emissions indeed.

Even better if the LC ran on bio as well.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

as a CFS firefighter, we have plently of training on EV fires. EV fires can be be **** scarry, molten lithium... not even my PBI gold PPE will protect me from that!

after 12 years, im pretty confifent i can handle most things, structure fire, bush fires, car crashes, etc. but not EV fires.

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How many have you seen thus far? How many ICE car fires?

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

How many have you seen thus far? How many ICE car fires?

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12 years, about 1 per year.
so 12. 1 was a tesla. worst smelling was a a camry, hardest to put out was the tesla and a f150 yank thing. 12,000l of water.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

12 years, about 1 per year.
so 12. 1 was a tesla. worst smelling was a a camry, hardest to put out was the tesla and a f150 yank thing. 12,000l of water.

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Wow you are quite lucky/unlucky to have been involved in one of the few tesla fires. Last I heard there had been a total of 8 recorded and verified EV fires in Australia.