Thread: EV general discussion

Not just cars we have to "electrify (almost) everything", starting with a test project in the Illawarra post code 2515.....Rewiring Australia founder Saul Griffith is a man on a mission to electrify the nation, one suburb at a time - ABC News

However you can get in on the idea early, my house has 5kW of solar panels, solar hot water with electric booster, all electric appliances for nearly 25 years now, except for the pv which is 14 years old as installed August 2011.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Everyone that isn't a net zero luny. This is common knowledge, there isn't enough copper, nickle, lithium, cobalt etc ....

seeya
Shane L.

I'll try to briefly address your post.

The laws of supply and demand will drive the production
of minerals, and the market will allocate resources including minerals efficiently, it has always been thus, unfortunately resulting in "have and have nots". Whether this is fair or not and if everyone on earth should be allocated a quota of everything is an entirely different subject.

You see maintenance hungry turbines, I see local jobs.
There are greener forms of concrete but why should this just apply to turbine bases and not other civil construction? Would you feel better if you were paid a
subsidy because you can see turbines from your house, perhaps in the form of a cent for ever turbine revolution or non-revolution?

I have had solar panels for 14 years and no damage to report and no toxic leaks.

I'm touched by your concerns regarding ev battery, turbine and pv recycling. Whereas all products should be able to be returned to the manufacturer or relevant industry body for recycling.

The UK has phased out coal, so these things are possible. How would we know if they didn't try? UK to close last coal power station after 142 years

EV chargers are being installed every day, in all sizes. I have two public ones within walking distance from me at a servo and a strip mall and the two major shopping centres on off the freeways either side of me have some too, but you're right more are needed across the country. Although most people charge at home.

I can think of a few things worse than electric boats like, chocolate teapot, motorbike ashtray, waterproof teabags.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

are electric cars going to solve the problem.

or do they replace one problem with another? or are they a feel good solution?

Originally Posted by Eevo

or do they replace one problem with another? or are they a feel good solution?

This is the thing. "Are they the solution to the problem". I don't think anyone can realistically make that case. Are they environmentally better than driving ICE cars. I think that point has been proven many many times over and over that they are better.

The best answer is to walk, cycle, take public transport (not flying). Unfortunately at this juncture it is difficult to replace all our trips with these options although in many cases people do make choices that makes them more car dependent. If you have to have a car an EV is better.

Personally I ride my bike to many places. Local trips, everyday I've been in the office since 2010. We are a family of three with a combined mileage of less than 15000k a year (excluding trips in the defender). The majority of it is in the EV. Could I do better. Yes. Am I at least making some measurable attempt, yes.

Is that better than saying "Duck it - it's all too hard". I do tend to think so. I am conscious that this is the EV thread but perhaps more could be made of the limiting driving anything as possibly the most effective way to limit your climate impacts.

The UK has phased out coal, so these things are possible. How would we know if they didn't try?

ROTFL Ha Ha!
Biomass power station produced four times emissions of UK coal plant, says report | Greenhouse gas emissions | The Guardian

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by Eevo

cant be trusted.
been more than 8 bus battery fires in SA alone

The 8 EV fires reported by that organisation are for light passenger vehicles. Trucks and buses are reported separately.

Probably more amazing is those 8 bus battery fires in SA never made the news or social media. Were they electric buses part of the SA public transport fleet?

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

I'll try to briefly address your post.

The laws of supply and demand will drive the production
of minerals, and the market will allocate resources including minerals efficiently, it has always been thus, unfortunately resulting in "have and have nots". Whether this is fair or not and if everyone on earth should be allocated a quota of everything is an entirely different subject.

You see maintenance hungry turbines, I see local jobs.
There are greener forms of concrete but why should this just apply to turbine bases and not other civil construction? Would you feel better if you were paid a
subsidy because you can see turbines from your house, perhaps in the form of a cent for ever turbine revolution or non-revolution?

I have had solar panels for 14 years and no damage to report and no toxic leaks.

I'm touched by your concerns regarding ev battery, turbine and pv recycling. Whereas all products should be able to be returned to the manufacturer or relevant industry body for recycling.

The UK has phased out coal, so these things are possible. How would we know if they didn't try? UK to close last coal power station after 142 years

EV chargers are being installed every day, in all sizes. I have two public ones within walking distance from me at a servo and a strip mall and the two major shopping centres on off the freeways either side of me have some too, but you're right more are needed across the country. Although most people charge at home.

I can think of a few things worse than electric boats like, chocolate teapot, motorbike ashtray, waterproof teabags.

Yes, so the answer to this is "the poor can go without" ... and waterproof teabags. So yes, you have made the exact luny net zero type response " Dont worry, ignore reality and just listen to us".

Don't worry, they will re-open there coal power stations. Germany hasn't after all been re-opening htere coal and nuclear power stations after going down the luny net zero path for a bit.

Yes, a whole "few" EV chargers in every suburb. Wow, let me hide my excitement. Do they actually work? I know if I wanted to find some expensive cars to break into I'd just head for the few chargers in town. Guaranteed to be some poor frazzled EV owners parked in dark parking lots where its unsafe for hours on end waiting to be bashed/robbed.... Oh, that is if they are actually working. Maybe this time, try talking about cows farting in response to facts. that will work.

seeya
Shane L.

Public EV chargers are important for people who only have off road parking.

We are lucky enough to have a garage, and a charger. In the two years I've owned the car, I've only had to charge outside of the house once.