Thread: EV general discussion

Further.. if you are not buying an EV because of concerns about battery longevity.. I really think this is nuts. We can all know of several legacy manufacturers where they have sold a car that had a fundamental design issue that results in people having to spend a motza on them. And there seems to be zero concern about that.

Has anyone got a spare puma motor? Or a TD2.7 v6 for my disco? And so many more...

I would hate to add it up, but I reckon I spend enough on maintenance on my defender to pay for a complete battery swap every less than ten years. Insane. If I didn't need it for it's purpose would be gone quicker than...

I see this thread this morning. I wish the OP all the best!

13 year old D4 with 160k. Engine bang. LR want 40k. Lucky the aftermarket can come to the party. A few posts down "Unfortunately it's a known issue".

For the life of me I don't see why anyone isn't outraged about this instead of being fixated on what might happen to an EV.

D4 3.0 SDV6 catastrophic failure

EDIT: I see the car was only 8 at the time and it's a thread full of the same issue. Go on.. send the fire hose of outrage at LR!

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

The downfall of hydrogen isn't the cars, its the power required to create it and the enormous difficulty of transport and storage. If they manage to store it as a powder that could be very interesting

Australia's Revolutionary Hydrogen Powder Is Easier and Cheaper to Use for Clean Energy

but you still need to create the hydrogen in the first place (energy intensive).

Unless you're an amazing Australian Hydrogen Pyrolysis company with a demonstration plant near Woodman's point, Battery grade graphite and more

NOT waiting for a Hydrogen car myself - I had deluded myself year ago. I think I had a greenwashing thread somewhere. Twiggy and others blew billions on a known energy intensive hydrogen electrolysis which is dead now.

Happily methane pyrolysis technologies for hydrogen/graphite production is NOT energy intensive. that Doesn't make it great for cars still!

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

This article is a bit of a rehash, but lots of links to the research.

I maintain my position that focussing on EV battery lifespans is misguided. EV batteries are not your mobile phone batteries. Technology has moved on from the Nissan Leaf. Yes there will be occasional failures, but the most likely outcome is the battery will last the life of the car. It should be noted that the classes of cars where there is an electric offering are not series landrovers and are not expected to last for an operator lifetime.




https://supercarblondie.com/stanford...8Hkz5rtxe9Uk8A

We will see. They are talking about some new sodium battery. Of which there is no details included. Just a wishy, washy "this is fanstastic... we are amazing" type article with absolutely no details.

But hey, if it makes you think your current throw-away will last some miraculous number of years, by all means, feel free to believe it. Reality will always over-ride blind belief ... always ... without fail sadly.

seeya
Shane L.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I see this thread this morning. I wish the OP all the best!

13 year old D4 with 160k. Engine bang. LR want 40k. Lucky the aftermarket can come to the party. A few posts down "Unfortunately it's a known issue".

For the life of me I don't see why anyone isn't outraged about this instead of being fixated on what might happen to an EV.

D4 3.0 SDV6 catastrophic failure

EDIT: I see the car was only 8 at the time and it's a thread full of the same issue. Go on.. send the fire hose of outrage at LR!

I fail to see what one type of poorly designed ICE engien has to do with an entirely new type of vehicle with fundamental (currently impossible to fix) longetivity issues have in common.

Everyone complain about how crappy the old hi-undi excel was .... cheap pieces of crap. Yet I still see the damn things on the roads. They were a sound obsolete type of technology and have lasted well.

seeya
Shane L.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I fail to see what one type of poorly designed ICE engien has to do with an entirely new type of vehicle with fundamental (currently impossible to fix) longetivity issues have in common.

Everyone complain about how crappy the old hi-undi excel was .... cheap pieces of crap. Yet I still see the damn things on the roads. They were a sound obsolete type of technology and have lasted well.

seeya
Shane L.

Well it's just that you're saying "I think EV's won't last long.. they will be throwaways"

Meanwhile LR are pumping out cars that are also throwaways.. yet that's ok. I find that quite confusing.

FYI The first teslas that arrived in Australia seem to be lasting quite well. Better than the LR's of the same time. I think the ones being sold now will last better as they have made progress with all sorts of stuff.

Hi,
My 1950s Hillman Minx came with an owner's manual showing the jacking points and measured distances to straighten the body after a bingle.
It was still going strong when we sold it in 1977.
Cheers

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Well it's just that you're saying "I think EV's won't last long.. they will be throwaways"

Meanwhile LR are pumping out cars that are also throwaways.. yet that's ok. I find that quite confusing.

FYI The first teslas that arrived in Australia seem to be lasting quite well. Better than the LR's of the same time. I think the ones being sold now will last better as they have made progress with all sorts of stuff.

You just being ridiculous, just buy a different car if you want reliablity. How do you get reliability over the long term buying *any* EV.... the answer is you don't. The youngest car in this house hold is 14 years old... The oldest 75 years old. Guess how much drama I have worrying about $20,000+ battery replacements every 8'ish years (yes, I know ... THEY WILL LAST 25 YEARS ... sure .... ) .... No, hang on .... I've was just told in today in this thread they will even last 40% longer than that This is just so hilarious.