EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Hmm. To me there is a big difference to writing off an ICE car due to engine failure and writing off an EV due to a minor accident which damages the battery or battery failure.

There of course is the issue of what car you choose to buy. A RRS 3l is a very risky proposition and so is a Mini as they have a terrible reputation for engine failure.

But a well-maintained Honda, Toyota or Nissan has a reputation of lasting hundreds of thousands of Kilometers.

It remains to be seen which Chinese ICE car brands will survive and the long term reliability of them.

It is the potential cost of battery replacement that will see a 10 year old EV have no resale value as it will almost certainly be more than the car is worth. In the USA and UK early Nissan Leafs have almost no value even though there is now an after market for batteries as they are still very expensive.
Regards PhilipA

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That's really not fair. The nissan leaf was the first mass market EV. The battery doesn't have active cooling only passive. It's because of the nissan leaf that manufacturers all now include active cooling. Their batteries were comically short lived. This says as more about the Japanese tendency to not want to admit when they had made a mistake as it does about battery life in EV's.

The only full EV on sale in Australia currently with passive battery cooling is the Nissan leaf. When the current model goes there will be none. For good reason.

The factors that govern how long a car survives are its resale value and repair/parts costs.

So some fun facts to those who think a run of the mill Nissan/Honda sedan hatch has a good chance of lasting 25 years. It's a general rule that about 1/5 cars are sold every year. With that in mind..

So Honda in Australia sold 150 cars shy of 20,000 cars in Australia in the year 2000. I just had a look on Carsales. There are count it.. 13 "normal" hondas and 8 of their sports cars for sale across the whole of Australia right now.

Nissan sold 33k cars in the year 2000. At the moment on carsales... there are

2x 200sx for sale.
1 300zx
4 Elgrand (never sold here)
2 Pulsars
7 Silvia (not sold here new)
5 Skyline (GTR!)
And 54 Nissan Patrols.

So of the "Normal" cars, we've got a total of 2 pulsars for sale. No maximas, no normal sklyines, no Terrano, no x-trails. Hell.. not even a Navara.

If I had to guess.. I'd be guessing that despite making the bulk of the sales, the number of "normal" nissans still on the roads would be in the hundreds not thousands. Yes there is a chance a normal car might live 25 years, but it's chances are very very small.

Modern cars have far more complex and expensive components. I think the survival rate of current model cars over long periods will be even lower. "what you don't want to pay 20k for your replacement DSG!!??"

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Want to add the Maintenace cost estimate for that? I loved my Disco(s). I did not love the cost of keeping them on the road and a little off-road fun! I BET I could replace a battery in the EV for a LOT less than I spent over 500,000 km or so [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

Not that I want to hold my non boat towing non long range EV for a lot longer[biggrin] Now I am going to LA LA LA space to forget I ever acknowledged that for my beautiful Disco[thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig][thumbsupbig]

I am still at $150 service and four tires for the current 60,000 ev. Its take off may be the tire chewing item. My lead foot -wrist was more for motorcycle Tyres.

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but they are maintainable.

what service does an EV need?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

but they are maintainable.

what service does an EV need?

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I posted a while back.. not that anyone listens to any facts around here.

Tesla service schedule.

Cabin filter every two years.
Hepa filter every three years.
Brake fluid check at four years.

Rotate tyres every 10k

Did a hour or so driving in Brisbane traffic this morning. Played Spotto for cars older than 25 years. I got a old mazda ute, a eb Falcon and a vx or VT commodore (might not have been 25 but close.. I'm not that good!) and a Nissan pintara. How many other cars did I see? 10k ? Sooo many....

Keep in mind that around that time ford and holden were selling 1/4 of a million cars a year!

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I may differ on that point :) My questions 'cost of a car in inflation adjusted $USD from 1925 to 2025"

cost of a car in inflation adjusted $USD from 1925 to 2025

Link is to the data. My screen shot went binary
A car that cost $15,000 in 1935 would cost about $128,000 in 2025 if adjusted purely for car-specific inflation [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin] Its a AVG car price not a Range Rover price[thumbsupbig]

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On that table, 1970 $3500 converts to $27,000.

In 1969 a Toyota Crown could be put on the road for $3000. I doubt you could buy a car in 2025 as good as the 1969 Crown for $27,000.

Surely the difference isn't explained just by improvements in more modern cars.

https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/2...-cars-of-1998/

https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/t...ive-flashback/

Here's some cars for sale 25 years ago, how many can be seen on the road lately?

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I posted a while back.. not that anyone listens to any facts around here.

Tesla service schedule.

Cabin filter every two years.
Hepa filter every three years.
Brake fluid check at four years.

Rotate tyres every 10k

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Do they have a reduction gearbox?
Does it have oil that needs changing?

A Google search shows a few high mileage Tesla's
One at 1.24 million miles, miles not kilometres, it's had 4 batteries and 14 motors.
UPDATE: This 1.24 Million-Mile Tesla Model S Is On Its 14th Motor, Fourth Battery Pack

One at 430,000 miles, again miles not Km, never been serviced, mostly supercharged to 100%, which is the worst thing you can do to the battery, on top of that the bloke bought it when Tesla offered free lifetime charging, at this stage his so far ahead resale doesn't matter.
Tesla Model S Cruises Past 430,000 Miles On Original Battery | Carscoops

Tony

Sounds like the woodman's axe. Should last forever if everything remains free.
I seem to recall this example as being a limo travelling between LA and Las Vegas every day and the mileage was racked up within the battery warranty. So USD80-100G on batteries otherwise.
Regards PhilipA