EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Also, did you even notice the bit "We can calculate exactly how much co2 ICE generate, it's a direct chemical ratio". Which it is. But he then went onto talk about EV input emissions and completely glossed over all the co2 input that goes into finding the oil, digging it up, transporting it, refining it.. no mention of that. Not on the table.

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Of course, but what he is saying is factual. anything to do with oil is well known .... we have been doing it for well over 100years. Of course they know exactly what is involved in refining oil products. It doesn't even come close to mining the ground for minerals....

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They are all made with horrible child labour in third world countries. Utter rubbish!

At this juncture the bulk of battery cobalt goes into small electric batteries not cars. No one seems to be worrying about that when they buy their ryobi or iphone. Not that there is any cobalt in my car unless my phone is in there...

EDIT: That's one of the amazing things about anti EV people. They worry about the electricity they use, but don't care at all about the electricity used in anything else. AC's, pools, or any of the many frivolous uses we have for electricity. That's off the table. Not the disucssion. It's the energy you use in your EV. It will kill the grid don't you know!

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And the usual "change the subject to everyone is else evil too". Look ... over there .... trees burn too, its not just electric cars [bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

I've seen this game before. Most of the anti-climate change talking points were produced by the Heritage Foundation and were funded by US oil and gas companies. Similarly, this anti-EV stuff. The really serious issue is that by the time that the right-wing billionaires in the US stop pumping this luddite stuff out it'll be too late - it'll be China that completely owns the new industrial age. The blindness of so many people is beyond belief - China is fully committed to a carbon-free economy and they will OWN it, globally, within 20 years. At that point I doubt that there's any possibility of the US catching up, particularly not with the way that the current administration is cutting funding to renewables specifically and science generally.

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Where does this moronic "ITS FUNDED BY OIL COMPANIES" lunacy come from. Do you think oil companies cares in the slightest about electric cars. Of course they don't. Why would they waste a cent on this [bighmmm] There business is growing massively at the same time as the electric trhow-aways are destroying the economies over the world. Why would they care. Now we rol out the "carbon free china economy" lunacy.

Just a moment...

they are building coal powered power stations faster than ever in history. They don't give a crap about the environment. they would like the electric car to take off around the world as it will give them a strangle hold on the world economy. What you are say is utter lunacy. Where on earth did you get this from? mainstream media?

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Originally Posted by DieselLSE

Tell me more about this bridge. Sounds interesting.

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It's solar powered.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Where does this moronic "ITS FUNDED BY OIL COMPANIES" lunacy come from. Do you think oil companies cares in the slightest about electric cars. Of course they don't. Why would they waste a cent on this [bighmmm] There business is growing massively at the same time as the electric trhow-aways are destroying the economies over the world. Why would they care. Now we rol out the "carbon free china economy" lunacy.

Just a moment...

they are building coal powered power stations faster than ever in history. They don't give a crap about the environment. they would like the electric car to take off around the world as it will give them a strangle hold on the world economy. What you are say is utter lunacy. Where on earth did you get this from? mainstream media?

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Maybe you should read the links I posted?

BTW, it's well-established that the US oil and gas companies funded climate change disinformation.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Maybe you should read the links I posted?

BTW, it's well-established that the US oil and gas companies funded climate change disinformation.

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Really? I've had this nonsense stated at me lots of times within australia too. YOU ARE FALLING FOR THE OIL AND GAS MISSINFORMATION THAT IS EVERYWHERE ... The last nutter told me I was watching to much ... is it sky? news. Anti-EV stuff is in barely any mainstream media.

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yeah, those poor oil companies ... I feel for them ...... With the oil consumption being reduced by electric cars [bigrolf][bigrolf] That's one of the nuttiest things I've read today. If the oil industry cared, they would be over in europe tyring to overthrow the nutty governments that are trying to mandate chinese electric throw-aways. why would they care in teh slightest about a few million electric throw-aways around the world that very few actually want.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Of course, but what he is saying is factual. anything to do with oil is well known .... we have been doing it for well over 100years. Of course they know exactly what is involved in refining oil products. It doesn't even come close to mining the ground for minerals....



And the usual "change the subject to everyone is else evil too". Look ... over there .... trees burn too, its not just electric cars [bighmmm]

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So he didn't mention the climate impact of exploration, drilling, shipping, refining, shipping. Why is that?

He only counted the input costs of EV's, not ICE which he didn't even mention.

Even less likely to be mentioned is "fugitive emissions " in the oil and gas industry like in Darwin...Darwin methane leak '''covered up''' by gas companies and regulators - ABC News

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

So he didn't mention the climate impact of exploration, drilling, shipping, refining, shipping. Why is that?

He only counted the input costs of EV's, not ICE which he didn't even mention.

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Of course, this is all well known, we have been doing this for literally over 100years. Don't forget all the horrific stuff the oil industry has tried to cover up either. I'm not "pro" oil ... I'm just anti-stupidity. and what we are doing at the moment is just nuts.

I'd love to remove oil from our lives. We would realistically end up living in caves and burning wood to heat/cook without oil. People don't seem to understand what "oil" means. The cloths on your back, the glasses you are wearing, the shoes on your feet, the roads and footpaths you use, the cars you drive .... everything in our lives we enjoy is because of oil... Madness right? Without it though, we would be living the lives the poeple lived hundreds of years ago. paupers desperately trying to survive.

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Shane L.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Of course, this is all well known, we have been doing this for literally over 100years. Don't forget all the horrific stuff the oil industry has tried to cover up either. I'm not "pro" oil ... I'm just anti-stupidity. and what we are doing at the moment is just nuts.

I'd love to remove oil from our lives. We would realistically end up living in caves and burning wood to heat/cook without oil. People don't seem to understand what "oil" means. The cloths on your back, the glasses you are wearing, the shoes on your feet, the roads and footpaths you use, the cars you drive .... everything in our lives we enjoy is because of oil... Madness right? Without it though, we would be living the lives the poeple lived hundreds of years ago. paupers desperately trying to survive.

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Shane L.

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Oil is very very useful stuff. Another reason why burning it to get 20% of it's energy for forward propulsion is insane.

We should be keeping it for things we absolutely can't electrify and manufacturing. Last time I checked, making plastic from coal is a bit convoluted.

Its great these fires are being reported on and talked about.. oh wait...

I mean the passengers would definitely have survived that.


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