EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Please refer to post #4077.

There are 113 cars in NSW from 1950. It's just not a relevant argument. People are not going to buy or drive cars from the 1950s. It's called Progress. We've been over and over this. No one buys a car expecting to get 75 years service from it. Nearly 3/4 of cars are already gone by 20 years old, and in the following 10 years the rest depart other than a handful of survivors.

Having said that, if you like your old car - then I'm happy for you.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/alternate...ml#post3252704

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That is because they are all on "cheap rego" ... aka: club permits. You can drive the car for 90days a year for pocket change. Nearly everyone I know has at least one car on a club permit.... a lot have several.

the average car is 10 years old. I can't find the "median" car age. But, if its close to 10.5 years ... that means half of the cars on the roads are older than the electric throw-aways will ever see. (just horrendous for the environment right?) But the worse part is, the flow on effect is only the wealthy that can afford a new electric throw-away will be able to afford a car (I actually think this is the main reason the loony greens and governments are trying to force these disposable throw-aways onto society, to prevent the "poor people" having a car).

The actual effect is the "poor" subsidising the wealthy to buy an electric throw-away as a 2nd/3rd throw-away to use as a run-about. The majority will have a proper car (or several proper cars) as well. I bet the EV owners on here all own proper cars as well.... There is simply no doubt.

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

That is because they are all on "cheap rego" ... aka: club permits. You can drive the car for 90days a year for pocket change. Nearly everyone I know has at least one car on a club permit.... a lot have several.

the average car is 10 years old. I can't find the "median" car age. But, if it's close to 10.5 years ... that means half of the cars on the roads are older than the electric throw-aways will ever see. (just horrendous for the environment right?) But the worse part is, the flow on effect is only the wealthy that can afford a new electric throw-away will be able to afford a car (I actually think this is the main reason the loony greens and governments are trying to force these disposable throw-aways onto society, to prevent the "poor people" having a car).

The actual effect is the "poor" subsidising the wealthy to buy an electric throw-away as a 2nd/3rd throw-away to use as a run-about. The majority will have a proper car (or several proper cars) as well. I bet the EV owners on here all own proper cars as well.... There is simply no doubt.

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The problem with averages is they are skewed by the outliers.

Anyway rather than opinions of what you think will happen with EV's, let's have a look at an owner experience. This would be one of the oldest ones in Australia and uses a NMC battery which is not common anymore.

https://youtu.be/KqlGJltxPzc?si=NKPs2U5xXWdBzFFq

FYI in QLD the permit system is much more restrictive. You can only drive your classic on a club run, to your mechanic, or within 30k radially of home for "test driving". You can't use them for anything menial.. like going to the shops or dropping kids to school. It's quite painful.

BYD seems to be really struggling with switching to their new operational model. I've read a few stories recently of support issues.

edit: I know quite a few people with BYD's. The cars don't seem to be troublesome. It's just that if you need parts then there is a chance you can fall through the cracks.

https://youtu.be/tzzU3K5FVVc?si=PZVPdaMpPj4E5E_b

What I found interesting about the release of the Zeekr was that it was priced very comparably to Tesla. Up till now the Chinese have had to lead, but clearly they are confident. Geely is a big name with some big brands like Volvo and polstar so that it's a good car shouldn't surprise. Interesting to see the Koreans getting the wooden spoon with a new model.

https://youtu.be/FwSvUD2aDhg?si=PB0LdVVs4SYfOQwz

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Yep, Bundamba and North Lakes, but I believe one will be opening at Yatala soon.
Well worth the thirty bucks for a card, in my case for fuel alone. I rarely enter the shop.

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The boys have been using the 7/11 app,apparently it drops a substantial amount off the pump price.


i havent got it sorted yet on my phone,it is on the list to do.

And work out where the 7/11 service stations are,apparently the app works Aus wide.

EDIT:Had a look today,they want lots of my private info,so maybe it will be a pass,haven't decided yet.

So here is something I'm sure you'll all enjoy hearing. I've been seeing more and more stuff saying that BYD cars are very very well built. They are looking like they are going to last a looong time.

However...

I have a few friends who have them. One has a Sealion 7 and they had a frontal crash... Probably in October. The insurance company has assessed the car and want to repair it but the parts won't be in Australia until early next year sometime. So they are without a car, and the insurance company have tired of paying for a hire car. I was chatting to her and she said something like "The cars are great and all but that isn't much point unless they can supply parts". The sealion 7 has been out for probably a year so not having common parts for a frontal crash seems less than idea. BYD need to get their stuff sorted quick smart.

Just a moment...

I don't see this as an EV thing - more of a new Chinese manufacturer thing. The logistics of keeping parts for cars as they age boggles my mind. A family member is considering a Zeekr which are made by Geely. It's probably going to be a very good car - but I'm concerned about the parts situation.

As someone who works in IT .. projects love to Green Fields things and not worry about the hard work of migrating the old system. Selling a car and not worring about a parts distribution network must be very very tempting. It would massively reduce the costs.

Fortuantely Tesla seem to have this well under control these days.

Not just EVs. A few years ago my son's next door neighbor was on a holiday in his new Great Wall - and spent a ten day holiday in Broken Hill, while the Dealer he bought it from wangled a part to be imported from China and flown to Broken Hill. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was something pretty trivial, but not expected to be needed on a new vehicle, perhaps a wheel bearing.

One of the things I like about my old Landrovers - most parts are readily available, and remarkably cheap, even if not locally. Or you can easily make them or substitute something else.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Not just EVs. A few years ago my son's next door neighbor was on a holiday in his new Great Wall - and spent a ten day holiday in Broken Hill, while the Dealer he bought it from wangled a part to be imported from China and flown to Broken Hill. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was something pretty trivial, but not expected to be needed on a new vehicle, perhaps a wheel bearing.

One of the things I like about my old Landrovers - most parts are readily available, and remarkably cheap, even if not locally. Or you can easily make them or substitute something else.

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Yes.. defenders are quite an unusual thing. One of the benefits of such a long production run, and the volumes produced. In a bizzare twist, probably that there is no logical replacement so people just keep them is also helping the parts supply situation. Let's hope it keeps up.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Yes.. defenders are quite an unusual thing. One of the benefits of such a long production run, and the volumes produced. In a bizzare twist, probably that there is no logical replacement so people just keep them is also helping the parts supply situation. Let's hope it keeps up.

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Its very deliberate the modern cars being unservicable. Edison motors posted a very interesting video yesterday. Everyone will have seen the hiundi crap, where you need a service tool worth thousands of dollars and a weekly subscription ...... to change your brake pads [bighmmm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S45rLuY48w4&pp=ygUNZWRpc29uIG1vdG9ycw% 3D%3 D

towards the end he describes the crap all the modern manufacturers are doing. they all want everything to be a "subscription service".

No BMW or Audi driver ever paid for the blinker subscription.