EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I don't even need to watch it ... I already know the answer. It is "yes". It would be an awesome tow vehicle being electric. Its just weather you have the time and infrastructure to charge it along the route ....

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They did it. 2000 miles across america towing and back!

But even they say better for "occasional towing".

And IMHO this is really something that needs to be discussed. There are things that EV's are less than optimal for. Sure I get it. But there are also things that they are really really good at. We need to encourage people to weigh those things more carefully. I suspect the only way we are going to encourage them to do that is by penalising ICE ownership. Oh well.

IE maybe you do something that an EV just can't do. Sure that's a hard no. Sure no problems. But for a lot of people maybe they do something occasionally that an EV might be less than optimal for. Perhaps it's ok to acknowledge that an EV will be harder to use for that task, but to acknowledge that it will be far better for most everything else. Whereas now people are like "I might want to hook the caravan up and tow around the country, or go to fraser". But they don't have a caravan, and have never been to Fraser. And instead they are putting up with driving their dual cabs on the school run and into the local shopping centre car park. IMHO that is the majority of DC/SUV owners. Yes you can hire a car for fraser, and no you don't own a giant caravan... or even a towbar.

For example. A friend of mine recently bought a PHEV. I'm like "why not get a full EV?". She said her wife would not have it. Once or twice a year they visit family in Stanthorpe. So - That is easily possible to do with an EV. Maybe they might have to use a public fast charger in Stanthorpe (and there are several on the route) but that's the end of the inconvenience. So now they have to put up with an EV that uses nearly twice the power in EV mode as a proper EV. It needs an oil change or two a year and requires petrol and has a second petrol drive train that an EV doesn't have. It's heavier than an EV, and because it's got two drivetrains it has much less passenger space than the equivalent full EV.

I mean I don't mind but seems quite silly to me.

Hi,
Bearing in mind that a pet peeve of mine is paying the same rego costs for a garaged vehicle as an everyday commuter. . . .

How about doing something similar to "trade plates" for dual ICE / EV owners. Something that only allows one vehicle 'on the road' at any time.
Anything that encourages using the best tool for the job, be it walking, cycling, public transport, small vehicle rather than the big family sedan.
Yes this benefits multiple vehicle owners with available parking, but it would encourage less congestion of city streets with country vehicles.

(Ducks and runs for cover)

Cheers

Austastar, you should love EV's as due to them, governments are considering rego on a per kilometre driven basis.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Austastar, you should love EV's as due to them, governments are considering rego on a per kilometre driven basis.

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via the 5g network collecting the data?!

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

via the 5g network collecting the data?!

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Not sure, NZ has been doing this for diesels, heavy vehicles and EV's using a Road User Charge that has to be paid for in advance in blocks of 1000 km's.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

They did it. 2000 miles across america towing and back!

But even they say better for "occasional towing".

And IMHO this is really something that needs to be discussed. There are things that EV's are less than optimal for. Sure I get it. But there are also things that they are really really good at. We need to encourage people to weigh those things more carefully. I suspect the only way we are going to encourage them to do that is by penalising ICE ownership. Oh well.

IE maybe you do something that an EV just can't do. Sure that's a hard no. Sure no problems. But for a lot of people maybe they do something occasionally that an EV might be less than optimal for. Perhaps it's ok to acknowledge that an EV will be harder to use for that task, but to acknowledge that it will be far better for most everything else. Whereas now people are like "I might want to hook the caravan up and tow around the country, or go to fraser". But they don't have a caravan, and have never been to Fraser. And instead they are putting up with driving their dual cabs on the school run and into the local shopping centre car park. IMHO that is the majority of DC/SUV owners. Yes you can hire a car for fraser, and no you don't own a giant caravan... or even a towbar.

For example. A friend of mine recently bought a PHEV. I'm like "why not get a full EV?". She said her wife would not have it. Once or twice a year they visit family in Stanthorpe. So - That is easily possible to do with an EV. Maybe they might have to use a public fast charger in Stanthorpe (and there are several on the route) but that's the end of the inconvenience. So now they have to put up with an EV that uses nearly twice the power in EV mode as a proper EV. It needs an oil change or two a year and requires petrol and has a second petrol drive train that an EV doesn't have. It's heavier than an EV, and because it's got two drivetrains it has much less passenger space than the equivalent full EV.

I mean I don't mind but seems quite silly to me.

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This is just the sort of reason everyone hates greeny nutters. This blind stupidity electric vehicles are "green and saving the planet". I'm pleased his wife has some common sense. There is nothing wrong with electric vehicles. Buy one if you want one. Trying to force this stupidity onto the general public by putting even more restrictions on proper cars is stupidity.

You are being the normal "greeny/religious" nutter. I know this as you haven't traded your land rover on one of these amazing electric 4wds. I'll wont believe a word you say until you do this.

So the boss women keeps saying she wants a modern 4 door car. I've read a lot of what you post here. And given how reasonable your responses are, I heavily based my buying criteria on every sensible thing you have posted here.

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The boss womens "new" car. The best possible thing I could do for the environment this is. Because I have something called "common sense" :)

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

Not sure, NZ has been doing this for diesels, heavy vehicles and EV's using a Road User Charge that has to be paid for in advance in blocks of 1000 km's.

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Hi, I could live with that, NZ uses a hub mounted odometer. Not sure how tyre size affects driven costs, but a lookup table should sort that out for the money grabbing, paper shuffling pen pushers.
Weight and length should also have an influence on road use costs.
It should only cost a modest annual book keeping fee if the vehicle does not log road driven kilometres.
Cheers

Buying a Jaguar is "sensible"?
Regards PhilipA

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Buying a Jaguar is "sensible"?
Regards PhilipA

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Compared to buying an electric throw-away ... ??? Hugely massively sensible. What electric throw-away will still be a usable functional, really nice car in 25 years (hint: None).

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Compared to buying an electric throw-away ... ??? Hugely massively sensible. What electric throw-away will still be a usable functional, really nice car in 25 years (hint: None).

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I'm still waiting to hear which new car I could buy off the lot that will actually be going in 25 years. But we've been here. Of all the new cars that hit the road this year, only a few percent of them will be on the road in 2050.

Re your car choice.. I've said over and over.. running your existing car or buying a second hand car is not the worst outcome environmentally. It's already been built and it's already in circulation. It's not making our problem worse, and importantly it's not putting a new ICE car on the road.

Of course the best outcome would be to reduce your driving. Whether EV or ICE.