EV general discussion

EV no different to ICE , same as any new car , they drop 20% value as soon as you drive them out the showroom and then continue to lose value at an exponential rate until they are valueless at about 15-20 years .

You can buy good Gen1 Nissan Leafs ex Japan for $5000 with excellent battery packs , Its the way to go if you want to do an EV Conversion , You could not buy a new motor & controller as powerful as the Leaf motor for under $10,000 and you batteries thrown in.

Renault might have the right idea, with their EV's you pay for the car and lease the batteries.

Love the idea but question the facts. I have 50 odd solar panels at work and home. One produces a little over 1 KwH per day (or less). I appreciate a car parked in a sunny spot could get 1Kwh or so in a day. QLD suggest "15 kWh/100km" for EV and "Total operational savings in 5 years $5,248" I think that's very conservative cost saving as they used 7.6l per 100km for the fuel cost comparison.

This gent came up with some numbers based on 100,000km after his EV got to 50,000km traveled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEHeayGG_AA

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Originally Posted by goingbush

EV no different to ICE , same as any new car , they drop 20% value as soon as you drive them out the showroom and then continue to lose value at an exponential rate until they are valueless at about 15-20 years .

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While this is probably correct in general, it varies (although the initial drop is almost always there). As an example, my 33 year old 110 is now conservatively worth 50% of what I paid for it 26 years ago, and the 49 year old 2a is worth at least as much as I paid for it about 30 years ago, and possibly as much as double that. A couple of years ago I sold my Citroen for just under what I paid for it in 1978 or 79.

Ive just clocked over 9000km in my Landy since converting it to EV , has cost me nothing , zero to run , as it from our solar , but at 30kwh per 100km @ $0.25 / kwh it would have cost $675.00

On petrol 20L/100km @ $1.45 it would have cost $2610.00 , but then when it was petrol I only drove it on weekends as I had a more economical car to drive, now I drive it daily as it so easy and convenient .. and basically free.

The batteries are good for 3000 charge cycles say 80% DOD , lets say worst case 2000 x 80km = 160,000km , its taken me 2 years to do 9000km so the batteries will last another 33 years or so. Conversion cost me $22,000 which works out at $628 per year.

No to mention no engine servicing required , oil / filters / belts / coolant etc.

I can't see the problem or understand the negativity.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

While this is probably correct in general, it varies (although the initial drop is almost always there). As an example, my 33 year old 110 is now conservatively worth 50% of what I paid for it 26 years ago, and the 49 year old 2a is worth at least as much as I paid for it about 30 years ago, and possibly as much as double that. A couple of years ago I sold my Citroen for just under what I paid for it in 1978 or 79.

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Yes , I was talking in general and 15-20 years. then after 25 years prices increase as you know. But not sure they will for modern cars that have no hope of ever being a classic.
I have 2001 PT cruiser which is in pristine condition and its worth nothing , I'd have to pay to have it taken away .
I also just paid about 10x the 1949 new car price for a '49 Dodge Ute that has a seized engine and no brakes.

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Ive just clocked over 9000km in my Landy since converting it to EV , has cost me nothing , zero to run , as it from our solar , but at 30kwh per 100km @ $0.25 / kwh it would have cost $675.00

On petrol 20L/100km @ $1.45 it would have cost $2610.00 , but then when it was petrol I only drove it on weekends as I had a more economical car to drive, now I drive it daily as it so easy and convenient .. and basically free.

The batteries are good for 3000 charge cycles say 80% DOD , lets say worst case 2000 x 80km = 160,000km , its taken me 2 years to do 9000km so the batteries will last another 33 years or so. Conversion cost me $22,000 which works out at $628 per year.

No to mention no engine servicing required , oil / filters / belts / coolant etc.

I can't see the problem or understand the negativity.

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Absolutely no negativity with your conversion, it makes complete sense. What I find harder to stomach is a vehicle costing more than $50K being worthless only 7 years later with under 100,000 KM on it - that's not sustainable and with issues like this rearing their heads, it's not surprising that the uptake here is very low.

If I had the funds I'd convert my RRC to EV tomorrow - would be an ideal weekend run around and I'd only need 100 or so KM per charge too.

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Originally Posted by goingbush

EV no different to ICE , same as any new car , they drop 20% value as soon as you drive them out the showroom and then continue to lose value at an exponential rate until they are valueless at about 15-20 years .

You can buy good Gen1 Nissan Leafs ex Japan for $5000 with excellent battery packs , Its the way to go if you want to do an EV Conversion , You could not buy a new motor & controller as powerful as the Leaf motor for under $10,000 and you batteries thrown in.

Renault might have the right idea, with their EV's you pay for the car and lease the batteries.

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That sounds like a much better idea to be honest - what sort of yearly cost do you know?

I went on a solar powered boat today. It cruises Lawn Hill Gorge. Has 2000 watts of solar panels on the roof, four batteries and runs 48 volts.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

That sounds like a much better idea to be honest - what sort of yearly cost do you know?

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Not sure if Renault Australia have the same setup. In Europe you cant buy the battery , buy the car & rental / lease only for the battery.

Battery hire | Renault Finance | Services | Renault UK

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I went on a solar powered boat today. It cruises Lawn Hill Gorge. Has 2000 watts of solar panels on the roof, four batteries and runs 48 volts.

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And the skipper assured me they have never run out of grunt - not that it works very hard, but a good usage!