EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by sashadidi

how are you finding the MG, I got offered a cheap one here In NZ but now BYD got me thinking ,not too worried about the bling, just the value of the car.
might be able to use old nissan battery in the house

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A few bits are clearly not as sharp as a BMW, Landrover or Toyota. Over all it is very good and easy to drive. I must remember front wheel drive with huge torque can create wheel slip on corners in particular[thumbsupbig] Take one for a test drive. I did try a Jag Ipace and a Hyundai Kona. In several ways they might be better yet I am very happy with my choice assuming the software update fixs the range to the promised one[biggrin]
I will even admit to allowing it to keep up with a v8 from the lights up to the speed limit. He was a bit shocked at my silent treatment[bigrolf]

Thanks confirms feedback from EV forum here, yes even my company leaf in non eco mode gave a falcon turbo a race from the lights... couple of hard patched up gang boys who even stopped next to me at next lighs said they were amazed by the speed ,of course conce we hit 70kph they started fo get the upper hand and it chewed the battery a bit.....

Pretty sure the main game in EV will be the solid state batteries with 1/3 size weight, 2 times the energy and possibly significantly faster recharging times.

Like the truck thread my assumption is that swapping batteries in even a little older EV car/truck will be a game changer. I never wanted to but know we can change the Engines in our Landrovers[bigwhistle]Batteries should be a lot simpler to change.

Quatumscape VW , BMW/Ford via Solid Power, Toyota, Panasonic and Hyundai/Kia Korean and I never forget to consider about BYD and Chinese in Solid state. It may be a first to the post winner takes all or possibly a few patented technology changes allowing a number of these or others to deliver the next generation. The issues which several bright forum members point out are valid and reasonable concerns with current tech.

Time frame Quatumscape 2023. Toyota 2021??? They had scheduled the release of the tech at the 2020 Olympics! BMW?ford date is 2030.

Watch and wait alas [biggrin] Who gets it working and who brings it to market is a ?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv5x3K3yZoE

How are the car manufacturers going to agree on a battery spec for a swappable battery pack when they can’t even agree on a plug type? [emoji16]

The EU managed to get a standard for charging but the US is a basket case regarding this, so no idea how they’ll manage to do this.

There was an EV battery swap station and prototype setup made years ago in Germany but it didn’t work at the time due to non compatibility issues with all the vehicles being built - a problems that’s got a lot worse since.

And not going to get any better if the predicted advances in batteries keep happening.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

How are the car manufacturers going to agree on a battery spec for a swappable battery pack when they can’t even agree on a plug type? [emoji16]

The EU managed to get a standard for charging but the US is a basket case regarding this, so no idea how they’ll manage to do this.

There was an EV battery swap station and prototype setup made years ago in Germany but it didn’t work at the time due to non compatibility issues with all the vehicles being built - a problems that’s got a lot worse since.

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Agree- that's like talking Type 1 Type 2, CCS, CSMOS and ... chargers are a lot like the USB cables we all have 4 + types of and always the wrong one?

One the flipside cost is likely to be below ICE by 2026 according to

Bloomberg New Energy

Kick myself for buying a quirky one 4 years to early?

On swapping batteries- My little Lada ute was offered a small block V8 update by a mate in Perth[wink11] I didn't yet know a lot of people who have fitted engines and kit from other engines to their pride and joys[thumbsupbig] I felt low range was fine with me and the Lada[biggrin]

On the NOW cost of:

1. Maintenance it is not possible for a ICE vehicle to cost less than a BEV even on today's prices.
2. Fuel/ Charging. The most it is possible to pay for BEV charging is 40c per Kwh. my 42KwH is $16.80 a tesla cybertruck may have $40 for its 100Kwh battery pack. Noting I have not paid a cent at eight plus charging sites now.

The cyber trucks range 400, 480 or 800 at the top end is roughly what my D3 gets from 90litre fuel load is about $130. Cost are of interest as is the range and availability of fuel/charging of course :)

The pace of development.

Mahle'''s cheap, highly efficient new EV motor uses no magnets

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Agree- that's like talking Type 1 Type 2, CCS, CSMOS and ... chargers are a lot like the USB cables we all have 4 + types of and always the wrong one?

One the flipside cost is likely to be below ICE by 2026 according to

Bloomberg New Energy

Kick myself for buying a quirky one 4 years to early?

On swapping batteries- My little Lada ute was offered a small block V8 update by a mate in Perth[wink11] I didn't yet know a lot of people who have fitted engines and kit from other engines to their pride and joys[thumbsupbig] I felt low range was fine with me and the Lada[biggrin]

On the NOW cost of:

1. Maintenance it is not possible for a ICE vehicle to cost less than a BEV even on today's prices.
2. Fuel/ Charging. The most it is possible to pay for BEV charging is 40c per Kwh. my 42KwH is $16.80 a tesla cybertruck may have $40 for its 100Kwh battery pack. Noting I have not paid a cent at eight plus charging sites now.

The cyber trucks range 400, 480 or 800 at the top end is roughly what my D3 gets from 90litre fuel load is about $130. Cost are of interest as is the range and availability of fuel/charging of course :)

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I think I’m like a lot of others - not prepared (or can’t afford) to pay an early adopters tax, but once the actually are cheaper for an equivalent vehicle then I would probably get one although I’m still not sure any would be able to keep up with where I have to go at times for work, but I live in hope.

My money is almost certainly going on a new Subaru Outback shortly - will be a 3 year turn around so will see what offerings there are when that time comes.

Will need to be able to do a genuine 600KM on a charge - ideally 750KM (even in cold and hot weather loaded up pretty well) to cover one of the regular runs I do and I’ll have to hassle the Hotel I stay at at the end of that run to put at least a power point in the carpark as there’s no power for 100 metres where the car gets parked. Will need to be a wagon or similar to fit everything in too.

So much needs to go right to make it work for me and I’m sure I’m not alone, but I live in hope.

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Originally Posted by rick130

The pace of development.

Mahle'''s cheap, highly efficient new EV motor uses no magnets

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Thats very cool thank you "efficiencies above 95 percent right through the range of operating speeds"

Now if I can have one for my boat please [biggrin]

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Originally Posted by rick130

The pace of development.

Mahle'''s cheap, highly efficient new EV motor uses no magnets

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That is no doubt a good development. But the breakthrough is the wireless transmission of the rotor current.

Brushless alternators use a similar type of induction for excitation of the rotor. There are also no wearing parts in such a machine, the control being done on the exciter field coils and a rotating rectifier.

MAHLE develops highly efficient magnet-free electric motor - MAHLE Group