EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

There is a car carrier with $400 million in Porsches aboard on fire in the Atlantic.
They do not know whether the EVs on board started the fir but they do know that they cannot put it out because the EVs continue to burn.

Regards PhilipA

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Chatter with some fellow fire fighting ship mates. Halon- no longer except very specific exceptions, AFFF (Aqueous film forming foam)no more as it is carcinogenic, C02 - not much and H20 in lithium battery fires just cools it for a bit[bigwhistle] The ship cannot put much water in as it would be unstable and roll.

Suspect it will go out some time - its burning it self out hopefully before it burns to the water line[biggrin] ""The fire has subsided in recent hours," port captain João Mendes Cabeças told local media. "


Noting putting out a haystack fire give some of the same issues. Ship was build by Shin Kurushima Dockyard. I suspect it is Steel not aluminum so it might be floating for a while yet.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Chatter with some fellow fire fighting ship mates. Halon- no longer except very specific exceptions, AFFF (Aqueous film forming foam)no more as it is carcinogenic, C02 - not much and H20 in lithium battery fires just cools it for a bit[bigwhistle] The ship cannot put much water in as it would be unstable and roll.

Suspect it will go out some time - its burning it self out hopefully before it burns to the water line[biggrin] ""The fire has subsided in recent hours," port captain João Mendes Cabeças told local media. "


Noting putting out a haystack fire give some of the same issues. Ship was build by Shin Kurushima Dockyard. I suspect it is Steel not aluminum so it might be floating for a while yet.

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While pouring it in Smit Lloyd would also have pumps going taking it out, either by Ship's own, if they can, or Auxiliaries brought on board. Once upon a time Co2 or Halon would have been dumped on it but times change.

They would have done this before, being who they are & what they do.


Reminds me of that olde Fillum "San Demetrio. London" Film 1943. Actual event 1940.


Ship (Oil Tanker) shelled & on fire & eventually abandoned but after a week or so the crew found it drifting with fires still going. So what did those brave British Seamen do?:rulez: Climbed aboard & bit by bit were able to extinguish the fire just with water in buckets for a start. They saved the ship & got her back to Scotland I think it was, when it was taken in care by Salvage Tugs.

I'm sure I can hear the toon "Hearts of Oak" ringing in my ears.
[bigrolf]

Apparently a True story.

Fillum. San Demetrio London - Wikipedia

EDIT. It sounds like Smit is allowing the Lithium Battery contaminated water to build up within the ship rather than dump it in the sea therefore my learned friend's comment above, that the ship could be unstable, are valid..

I wonder if the crew are not fully trained in Fire fighting myself. Noting SCBA and specialist kit is needed to just survive in a smoke filled hull. They bailed very quickly I felt. [bigwhistle] Acronyms again James do we have a spank yourself icon? - SCBA is Self Contained Breathing Apparatus. Very similar to SCUBA kits. you can work that one out [bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I wonder if the crew are not fully trained in Fire fighting myself. Noting SCBA and specialist kit is needed to just survive in a smoke filled hull. They bailed very quickly I felt. [bigwhistle] Acronyms again James do we have a spank yourself icon? - SCBA is Self Contained Breathing Apparatus. Very similar to SCUBA kits. you can work that one out [bigrolf]

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You'd think that they had to have mandatory training on a ship which sounds like it routinely carried that sort of value cargo. I wonder what the Insurers will find?[bighmmm]
Probably that the Alarms were disconnected because they kept alarming & kept the crew awake.[bigrolf]


I'm surprised that Alarms weren't set off earlier allowing an early response to the fire. They may have been, but weird that this fire had got such a hold already. As my learned friend stated above the crew seemed to bail out early.



Ah well, not expecting my new Porsches ( yep, 7 off & following the customary practice of ME residents) anytime soon anyway, so not really bothered about any delays.

One for each day of the week you see.

This was interesting. Did not cover the EV's I would like tested like they did

Tested: InsideEVs Reveals Real World Range Of Today's Electric Cars


I hate the range test rubbish with issues with both EPA and WLTP

Just 4 cars gave better than the suggested range. All out of my price range for Range security [biggrin]

At 110kph my MG power use is at about 20 to22kWh per 100km range at 110kph.

100kph is 18to 19 kWh
80kph is sub 16 kwh

The efficiency of several in the link makes the MG look a bit average[bigwhistle]

It raises the question I guess of what happens in a car park if an EV catches fire either spontaneously or from another source.
This is of interest For underground car parks for apartment buildings. will they be completely banned or charging banned?
If several were parked together like at a charging station or the German bus depot could this affect the integrity of the building?
Regards PhilipA

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

It raises the question I guess of what happens in a car park if an EV catches fire either spontaneously or from another source.
This is of interest For underground car parks for apartment buildings. will they be completely banned or charging banned?
If several were parked together like at a charging station or the German bus depot could this affect the integrity of the building?
Regards PhilipA

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It is events like this ship thing that should advance our thinking about this technology. If it hasn't happened before it has now, & more questions will be asked.


Park at night on a charger in a standard carport? Same thing really.

Will the authorities still be able to point to a cause of ignition?????? Who knows, but I can just about guarantee there will be less shipments until it has been explained & rectified. It is not just the cars it is also the Ship & Crew put at risk.

Will all lead to higher Insurance Premiums ergo higher prices for cars.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

It raises the question I guess of what happens in a car park if an EV catches fire either spontaneously or from another source.
This is of interest For underground car parks for apartment buildings. will they be completely banned or charging banned?
If several were parked together like at a charging station or the German bus depot could this affect the integrity of the building?

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We're doing reviews in tall buildings and this is a question I've asked of each building manager when I've spotted EV chargers in the basement. Most are quite unaware of the risks and somewhat uncomfortable when it's highlighted.

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Originally Posted by BradC

We're doing reviews in tall buildings and this is a question I've asked of each building manager when I've spotted EV chargers in the basement. Most are quite unaware of the risks and somewhat uncomfortable when it's highlighted.

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Insurance companies will have a field day,well,actually they are having one ATM anyway,because they can[bigsad]

What the insurance companies will probably do is make the building owner install a full sprinkler system,with water tanks,and a back to base smoke system,for the area where the chargers are located.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Insurance companies will have a field day,well,actually they are having one ATM anyway,because they can[bigsad]

What the insurance companies will probably do is make the building owner install a full sprinkler system,with water tanks,and a back to base smoke system,for the area where the chargers are located.

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They all have that already. If you’ve seen a lithium battery fire, all that is a bit like ****ing on a bushfire. You don’t need sprinklers, you need many hours of deluge and no buildings have either the storage or pumping capacity for that.