Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I found this article on claimed ranges quite interesting. Tesla seems to be "gilding the Lily" a bit.


Tesla's EPA Driving Ranges Didn't Hold Up to Testing. It Tried Again and Still Fell Short (thedrive.com)

Regards PhilipA

Thanks Philip The better half dove in with a Model3 last week which arrived last Wednesday - a run to Port Fairy and back showed it could do 400km+ with spare. She was a tad more cautious and charged it. Noted the cost from 20% to 100% charge via a home power point was about $13 over night - My D3 with boat was closer to $140 and did require another drink at Geelong on the way back.

Sub 70k car under luxury car tax. Trivia. It has a FUN BOX app which allegedly give fart noises when you sit. Can be set to different noises for all seat. Not sure If I am brave enough to hope in now I know

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I found this article on claimed ranges quite interesting. Tesla seems to be "gilding the Lily" a bit.


Tesla's EPA Driving Ranges Didn't Hold Up to Testing. It Tried Again and Still Fell Short (thedrive.com)

Regards PhilipA

It seems they have followed the trend set by ICE vehicle manufacturers.

For years they have been publishing very unrealistic fuel consumption figures which are achievable only in tightly controlled test conditions.

Originally Posted by vnx205

It seems they have followed the trend set by ICE vehicle manufacturers.

For years they have been publishing very unrealistic fuel consumption figures which are achievable only in tightly controlled test conditions.

Only meant to be indicative for comparison purposes.

Thanks Philip The better half dove in with a Model3 last week which arrived last Wednesday - a run to Port Fairy and back showed it could do 400km+ with spare. She was a tad more cautious and charged it. Noted the cost from 20% to 100% charge via a home power point was about $13 over night - My D3 with boat was closer to $140 and did require another drink at Geelong on the way back.

I should just shut up but I cannot resist.
So .... you bought an 80K car that is equivalent to a 30K car in size, but better performance and you talk about how cheap it is to fill up.
50K will buy a lot of petrol.

petrol is taxed at 50cents per litre and electricity is not (well 10% GST)

if you had say driven a Mazda 3 equivalent in size to a model 3 for the same distance then it would have used only a fraction of the 50cents per litre taxed fuel compared to a D3 towing a boat.

A Mazda 3 gets about 7lper 100Km on the highway.
My Google says Melbourne to Port fairy is about 560Km via the GOR so there is no way she would have made it both ways in a Model 3 without say an hour charge.( if in fact you travelled the GOR)

Even at The Mazda 3 would have used 40 litres or less for the same journey at say 1.40 per litre or $56 or $36 without petrol tax.

So the payback of 50K at say lets be generous 20,000 Km per year is $2000 so payback time is 25 years. If petrol were not taxed at 50 cents per litre the payback would be around 30 years or so.

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I should just shut up but I cannot resist.
So .... you bought an 80K car that is equivalent to a 30K car in size, but better performance and you talk about how cheap it is to fill up.
50K will buy a lot of petrol.

petrol is taxed at 50cents per litre and electricity is not (well 10% GST)

if you had say driven a Mazda 3 equivalent in size to a model 3 for the same distance then it would have used only a fraction of the 50cents per litre taxed fuel compared to a D3 towing a boat.

A Mazda 3 gets about 7lper 100Km on the highway.
My Google says Melbourne to Port fairy is about 560Km via the GOR so there is no way she would have made it both ways in a Model 3 without say an hour charge.( if in fact you travelled the GOR)

Even at The Mazda 3 would have used 40 litres or less for the same journey at say 1.40 per litre or $56 or $36 without petrol tax.

So the payback of 50K at say lets be generous 20,000 Km per year is $2000 so payback time is 25 years. If petrol were not taxed at 50 cents per litre the payback would be around 30 years or so.

Regards PhilipA

I've read similar compariosns for petrol vs diesel - what you need to take into account is the re-sale value: you don't have to amortise the difference in price in fuel savings.

I've read similar compariosns for petrol vs diesel - what you need to take into account is the re-sale value: you don't have to amortise the difference in price in fuel savings.

Arapiles

I don't know which way you are arguing.

The battery is guaranteed for 8 years and Model Xs are generally doing better but lets say 10 years and the cost of replacement is currently USD20000 or what's that 28K OZ.

There is one repair facility in the USA who are able to fix batteries in certain circumstances but AFAIK none in OZ at present.

A Model X with a dud battery has virtually no resale value and and the battery can be disabled if only one of the 69000 cells shorts out.

Nissan Leafs which are the most popular EV in the World have horrific resale value.

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Nissan Leafs which are the most popular EV in the World have horrific resale value.

Regards PhilipA

Apparently not:

If you were to graph three-year retained values of all cars in Australia, the fattest part of the bell curve would be slightly above the 50 percent mark*. Believe it or not, a car that clings on to anything north of 52 percent of its original value can be considered an above-average performer.
And that’s where you’ll find the vast majority of the pure electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids currently on sale in Australia. In terms of their ability to hang onto their value, they actually don’t do so badly.

...... The Nissan Leaf is the next lowest on the retained value totem, but its 51 percent score isn’t quite as dire as the Outlander PHEV’s.

..... Things get interesting from here. The Hyundai Kona Electric is hugely expensive for a small SUV, retailing just shy of $60K, yet it hangs on to 55 percent of its original price at the 36-month mark. That’s still a significant amount of money to wave goodbye to, but consider this: a Toyota Kluger GXL AWD - which is almost identically priced - retains 56 percent of its value, yet that depreciation hit doesn’t deter the thousands of Australians who’ve made the Kluger one of Australia’s most popular new cars.
So if an electric car depreciates at the same rate as a large SUV from one of Australia’s most trusted brands – and one that traditionally performs better than most when it comes to retained value – saying that depreciation is a big downside of EV ownership is flawed. Depreciation is the big downside of buying any new car, and EVs are no exception. Generally speaking, they perform no better or worse than other similarly-priced cars as far as value retention is concerned.

(Emphasis added)

How bad is electric car depreciation?

Geez, not sure why people can't be happy for others who have bought an EV. If you don't see the value, can't afford it, don't like Electric Jesus, whatever - that's fine and feel free to discuss that, but I don't think it's cool ragging on someone because they have gone and bought one. Personally I am was interested in the real word experience from people who have them - Teslas or other EV's so how about we ease up a bit on this please?