Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

Wow. That F-150 EV is a lot cheaper than a Rivian.

Only the POV model. $50k AU

The long range one cracks $100k

Bugger, missed that bit!

Originally Posted by Homestar

Have done a lot of research on this and yes, the only downside of the Outback is it's lack of engine options - you get the 2.5 NA and that's it.

I didn't realise that they'd dropped the diesel and the 3.6. There are 3.6 demonstrators around ...

Originally Posted by Arapiles

I didn't realise that they'd dropped the diesel and the 3.6. There are 3.6 demonstrators around ...

Heard of stranded assets? No stress if you do from me. Listening to a gent discussing, Oil, gas, nuclear all on a site which is now wind/solar and.. His rather well financed views seem a long way from ICE and chatting about trains, tucks, buses, ships..... which are having a mid life crisis as the 10-20 year cycle is stuffed. Not sure when yet anyone assuming ICE is happy in five + years seems a gamble plus to me.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

I didn't realise that they'd dropped the diesel and the 3.6. There are 3.6 demonstrators around ...

Only in the previous model, not the new one. It’s the biggest drawback I see with them at the moment. Hopefully additional options will be forthcoming in coming years.

The diesel had such a bad reputation and cost them heaps in warranty claims, mainly DPF AFAIK.
They had a habit of bursting the intercooler to manifold hose or it popping off and this caused over richness which destroyed the DPF if it continued to be driven even 100 kms home which is what happened to my son’s car.
AFAIK they deleted it about 1 to2 years ago and all that was left was existing stock.
Of course usually the owner deletes the DPF but still costs a couple of grand.
regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Heard of stranded assets? No stress if you do from me.

Yep, I've heard of them and I believe that I may have mentioned them on here at some point in explaining why no banks would fund Adani.

Electric work at the moment if you have a short commute to work and drive local in your own time

Demand here is driven by government allowing write off of the asset in first 12 months and reduced car tax for the fleet driver. Any change in this has an immediate reaction in purchasing patterns. Government has made it clear these incentives are temporary and will not be there long term

Hybrids push up the fuel bill of fleets so there is a constant battle between the drivers who want the tax advantage and the fleet managers who in some cases have seen their fuel bills risk by 30% due to hybrids. Problem is battery pack is heavy and they fit a smaller engine for when the battery is not in use. Battery has a range of 30 miles for a driver who does many more in a standard work day. Have seen plenty of plug in hybrids reach auction where the cables have never been taken out of the packaging

They fall down if you do longer runs due to the time required to recharge them. There is always a new tech just about to arrive that is going to solve this one. If temperature is above or below their standard the range goes down. While the battery continues to work the range decreases over time as you use it and it ages. If you use anything electrical the range decreases - heating air con radio lights etc

Even if you find your own rare earth to make the magnets for the Electric engine the only factories that can convert the raw material into magnets are in China

From a commercial use it works if you are a florist not if you are a plumber as load reduces range, if you have a fleet need enough room for the fleet to park up over night off road to recharge with chargers for each vehicle

The market for second hand has not yet developed so used values are an unknown. Have seen auction prices of one big brand fluctuating by £10k in a week for similar cars. One of the manufacturers is buying up used and exporting/ scrapping second hand in an attempt to match demand with supply and so support used prices