Thread: EV general discussion

Brings back memories of the trolleybuses in Brisbane in the 1960s!

Originally Posted by Homestar

They better get a wriggle on building more power stations and increasing solar and battery installations then as they only have about 1/5th of the power generation currently to run all the vehicles in the EU should they all go EV.

And we probably have less,that is if it happens here as well.

Saw yesterday that Mercedes truck plant is adding BEV and FCEV to the large truck production line in Germany. It is good to hear it is ICE/BEV/FCEV in one line as that means choice not prescriptive yet.

The Fuel Cell addition is not straight away which is a very good hint that Merc do not have that technology yet. They had a 2025 for the FCEV trucks and this year and 2022 for the BEV trucks in addition to the continued ICE engines.

A bit of trivia- there is no such thing as new energy. All the energy in the universe is already there or here. It can change form such as sunlight to plants or coal to heat........

We can change from sail ships to steam to oil burners - I do not miss HMAS Vampire soot blows you can still get that feeling if you like at a steam train if the wind is the right way and the fire is not hot enough

It is all economics now. The cost of recharging my quirky EV is almost always free. MG, BYD, Great Wall and other Chinese along with VW which is still the worlds biggest car maker have all moved. KIA and Hyundai surprised Japan which usually was a little slow of the mark yet now moving quickly to catch up.

No question that issues need resolutions before we can convert our Discos to a long range touring, towing and 4wd emission free Not spending a silly amount is the key.

I read that Shenzen in China has 16,000 electric buses and 22,000 electric taxis.

After a century of achievements, the CPC's next critical phase begins now - Pearls and Irritations

You are reprinting articles from The China Daily????
Regards PhilipA

China Daily has the widest print circulation of any English-language newspaper in China.^[2] The headquarters and principal editorial office is in the Chaoyang District of Beijing.^[1] The newspaper has branch offices in most major cities of China as well as several major foreign cities including New York City, Washington, D.C., London, and Kathmandu.^[3] The paper is published by satellite offices in the United States, Hong Kong, and Europe.^[4] China Daily also produces an insert of sponsored content called "China Watch" that has been distributed inside other newspapers such as The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post.^[5][6][7][8]
China Daily in China targets mainly diplomats, foreign expats, tourists as well as locals wishing to improve their English.^[2] The China edition also offers program guides to Radio Beijing and television, daily exchange rates, and local entertainment schedules.^[9] It has been used as a guide to Chinese government policy and positions of the Chinese Communist Party.^[10][11] Scholar Falk Hartig describes the newspaper and its various international editions as an "instrument of China's public diplomacy."^[2][12]

MY bold text.

I know about China Daily.
The author has an interesting viewpoint and there is a lot of interesting information in the article, which is based on his presentations at two conferences.
There are two sides to every story, but the Western media tends to ignore China's side and present unbalanced reports.
I like to consider both sides and make up my own mind.

I have to say that IMHO The China daily would write what they are told to write by the CCP .

You have to remember that this is for foreign consumption as no Chinese person would read it for the news.

I don't know their reasons for the article but I can assure you that it definitely would not mirror the actual thoughts of the CCP, but be what is probably misinformation directed at foreigners whether in China or abroad.

IMHO and having worked in China on a couple of projects the newspaper would try to misdirect rather than inform.

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

I have to say that IMHO The China daily would write what they are told to write by the CCP .

You have to remember that this is for foreign consumption as no Chinese person would read it for the news.

I don't know their reasons for the article but I can assure you that it definitely would not mirror the actual thoughts of the CCP, but be what is probably misinformation directed at foreigners whether in China or abroad.

IMHO and having worked in China on a couple of projects the newspaper would try to misdirect rather than inform.

Regards PhilipA

you might be right Phillip. No doubt some people think the China EV game is big. A American Brian Smelzer "the rise of EVs in China, one particular policy stands head and shoulders above the others. In the early 2010s, the Chinese government announced plans to provide subsidies to encourage buyers to snap up electric cars instead of traditional combustion engine vehicles.
This policy was introduced to offset the higher price of electric vehicles, and the subsidy was as high as 60,000RMB (more than 9,200USD) for people buying fully electric cars. This policy was initially rolled out in five Chinese cities: Shanghai, South China’s Shenzhen, Hangzhou and Hefei near the eastern coast of the country, and Changchun in Northeast China."and

Drew DeSilver Pew Research Center
when writing about the Slow US take up stated "But the U.S. represents only about 17% of the world’s total stock of 10.2 million EVs, according to IEA data. China has 44% of all the EVs in the world (more than 4.5 million), and the nearly 3.2 million in Europe account for about 31%."

The numbers seem about right to several other sources.

My kids and local school teachers in China with school three years ago now had hundreds of pictures of two things many might not have noticed. Pollution and EVs

the second link is from RADII (rā’dē-ī’) Claimes to be " an independent platform of artists, writers and creators dedicated to sharing vibrant stories from the rarely explored sides of new China.Founded in 2017 by RADII was founded by Brian A. Wong, former Vice President of Alibaba. We operate with editorial independence."

His former boss Mr Ma is in strife for not towing the CCP party line. I think he is still a billionaire just.

MIT analysis is harsh "
China’s transition to electric vehicles


By 2030, 40 percent of vehicles sold in China will be electric; MIT research finds that despite benefits, the cost to consumers and to society will be substantial.

Nancy W. Stauffer | MIT Energy Initiative
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April 29, 2021"
China’s transition to electric vehicles | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

The details why MIT thinks it is costly are very interesting

In my case a ICE version of the MG is about 30ish. The EV is about 40ish thousand so the cost is a even 25% for the BEV. $10,000 in fuel and servicing cost savings might take a few years? Add in the new VIC EV tax of course

I still think the two teslas in the street are a fascinating cost/time look. $200,000+ two years ago and $70,000 for the one in the garage. While $70,000 give a lot of quiet nice ICE engine options a price change of -65% is remarkable

The two teslas are not the same model so the comparison is flawed. The older one is a model s which starts now at 132,718 which is only -33%

In China's case MIT pointed out "serious urban air pollution, high greenhouse gas emissions, and growing dependence on oil imports." as issues for China. We share a few of those issues as well.

With china suggesting the horrible floods tragedy are 1 in 1000 year floods today I doubt that many changes to the attempts to deal with some of their issues will change. Germany ditto with floods. The US, Canada and Iran with droughts and fires just might feel cost of change much smaller than the cost of not changing.

A bit like the lock down costs which is billions daily or weekly I think. Compared that ongoing cost to having earlier access to some vaccines at just one or two billion - an option we missed so no point grumbling I guess.

Excuse me if you needed tin foil hat for the few last bit. Good night all