EV general discussion

**spudfan** · 22nd December 2022, 12:06 AM

Cannot see many being able to afford this
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**Narangga** · 22nd December 2022, 11:43 AM

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**Homestar** · 22nd December 2022, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Narangga

Cupra Born Australian pricing confirmed - EV Central

511km

using 77 kWh of batteries

While I'm sure I'll be accused of being an EV hater again - those numbers don't add up. I got to around 400KM with my calculations and if you extrapolate the data from the 62KWh version you get 420KM as a best case scenario, but the 77KWh version is heavier so my calcs sound pretty close. Stick the AC on and knock 100KM off that.

It really annoys me that the OEM's are fudging the figures - they aren't doing the industry any favors by doing this.

CUPRA Born 150 kW - 58 kWh price and specifications - EV Database

**ramblingboy42** · 22nd December 2022, 01:07 PM

the industry has always fudged its fuel endurance figures, just like the tyre industry eg cooper tyres , the oil industry latest adds have your car making more power. liars liars liars

**superquag** · 22nd December 2022, 03:59 PM

IF. you can afford these.... then choppering in a diesel gen-set every evening while out in the boonies ... will be chump-change.

**p38arover** · 22nd December 2022, 04:12 PM

There's also this mob in Malbourne:

Classic electric vehicles for adventure — Jaunt

**Tins** · 22nd December 2022, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by superquag

IF. you can afford these.... then choppering in a diesel gen-set every evening while out in the boonies ... will be chump-change.

It's ok. Choppers run on wind power....

**Narangga** · 22nd December 2022, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

While I'm sure I'll be accused of being an EV hater again - those numbers don't add up. I got to around 400KM with my calculations and if you extrapolate the data from the 62KWh version you get 420KM as a best case scenario, but the 77KWh version is heavier so my calcs sound pretty close. Stick the AC on and knock 100KM off that.

It really annoys me that the OEM's are fudging the figures - they aren't doing the industry any favors by doing this.

CUPRA Born 150 kW - 58 kWh price and specifications - EV Database

I would call you a realist... even though most manufacturers aren't as has been highlighted below.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

the industry has always fudged its fuel endurance figures, just like the tyre industry eg cooper tyres , the oil industry latest adds have your car making more power. liars liars liars

**Tins** · 23rd December 2022, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

While I'm sure I'll be accused of being an EV hater again -

Any opinion contrary to the current zeitgeist will see you attached with a label. You're either with us or agin us. Ask me how I know

.

I, for one, do not hate EVs. In fact I think they are amazing within certain parameters. However, I'm rarely convinced by evangelism in any form, and that's how I look on most debates on "alternative" energies of any kind. If they are as good as we are supposed to believe, why do they need subsidies?

**NavyDiver** · 23rd December 2022, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

While I'm sure I'll be accused of being an EV hater again - those numbers don't add up.

Other views are and should be welcome Sir!

Cut from another thread

alternate view such as "Toyota Still Isn't All In on EV Adoption" "Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda who the Wall Street Journal reports is still on the fence about going all-in on EVs. While most automakers have been laying out their future EV plans, Toyota has seemed to remain committed to hybrids and hydrogen. Toyoda says that EVs shouldn’t be the only path forward. Hybrids and hydrogen, he believes, are great alternatives, especially as EV prices remain high — something Toyota pointed out. Toyoda says that he has tried to convince both industry and government officials of this and described the efforts as tiring."

Mr Toyoda is not alone "Executives at both Nissan and Mazda have voiced scepticism on whether or not jumping all-in on EVs was too rushed or the right answer. Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida admitted the company may have been too aggressive with the first gen of the Leaf; Mazda has taken a more blatant and sceptical stance regarding EVs"

Mr Tesla spooked investors yesterday as well

"Tesla investors were spooked overnight because the electric car maker decided to double its price discounts on some US models for North American customers.
It started offering discounts of $US7,500 on Model 3 and Model Y vehicles delivered in the US this month.
It's good for car buyers, but Tesla investors are worried its a sign of lower demand as economies slow down. "

Santa reindeer power is not for all of us of course

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