Thread: EV general discussion

not the right battery or fuel cell yet

"BEV sales year-to-date in 2023:

• Ford Mustang Mach-E: 4,409 (up 1%)
• Ford F-150 Lightning: 3,600 (up 3,296%)
• Ford E-Transit: 761 (up 301%)
• Total: 8,770 (up 88%) and 3.0% share

For reference, in 2022, Ford more than doubled its BEV sales to 61,575 units and 3.3 percent of the total volume."

Seems a lot to me

Except they had to halt production as a Lightning caught fire in the shipping yard.
Hoovies Lightning battery failed a day after he sold it back to the dealer.
regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Except they had to halt production as a Lightning caught fire in the shipping yard.
Hoovies Lightning battery failed a day after he sold it back to the dealer.
regards PhilipA

No except at all Philip. That was a brief stop and they are back at it. Disappointed to say they news on what occurred is limited. My thoughts on the current lithium tech is aa bit BLAHH as well mate

In other news here Hyzon Motors is making a silent entry perhaps here in Melbourne? I do hold a bit in the US exchange. Very in the red for that one NOT A BUY- Do not bail me out NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE!!!!

The makers of Australia’s first locally designed and built hydrogen-powered truck say it will be towing cars and potentially collecting garbage this year in a rollout they believe could spur a shift away from highly polluting diesel vehicles.Hyzon Motors says the 27-tonne truck it will unveil at its headquarters in Noble Park, in Melbourne’s south-east, on Monday is an Australian first and shows the trucking industry can go green.



Hydrogen trucks to be launched in effort to cut diesel pollution

I do get a bit excited about Hydrogen of course

2024 Range Rover Electric is expected to be unique & capable [Update]

Last Updated On: February 14, 2023 3:17 am. Original article by: Sagar Parikh

• Will be the first Land Rover EV to go on sale
• Confirmed to debut in 2024; to be followed by the Range Rover Sport EV
• Could deliver an EPA-est. range of 275-300 miles
• Likely to be more expensive than the Mercedes EQS SUV, starting at around USD 130,000

Update: ‘Design,’ ‘Interior’ and ‘Specifications’ sections revised.

2024 Range Rover Electric is expected to be unique & capable


I am keen to see the hydrogen / Solid state battery settle in first. Not shocked to see this detail now. Still a way off for our little market I guess.

Back to batteries for a minute- My theroy is some more like failures British Volt mega factory are likley!!

"Volkswagen’s first North American gigafactory will be in Canada (msn.com)"
"The St. Thomas factory will be a joint venture between VW and Power Co, a new independent company created by the automaker to oversee its massive $20 billion battery initiatives. After starting construction on two other gigafactories, this will be the third plant worldwide and PowerCo’s first cell factory in North America. Production at the St. Thomas factory is set to kick off in 2027.
According to VW, the St. Thomas plant “will equip the Group brand’s BEVs in the region with cutting-edge battery cells.”,

....The St. Thomas factory will be a joint venture between VW and Power Co

In 2021, VW unveiled plans to build six battery cell production plants in Europe by 2030, including the facility in Salzgitter and one in Skelleftea, Sweden. A third plant is under construction in Valencia, Spain, and the fourth factory will be based in Eastern Europe. The plants will eventually have a production capacity of 240 gigawatt-hours a year."

It is not Solid State but the Quatumscape investment by VW is mentioned.

What the article also dumps in is

"The factory is also part of a host of new EV facilities that are expected to come online in the coming years. Globally, battery production is expected to grow from 95.3 gigawatt-hours (GWh) in 2020 to 410.5 GWh in 2024, according to GlobalData, a data and analytics company.
Ford has said its three new battery plants will enable 129 GWh a year of production capacity. General Motors is planning four new battery factories in the US for a total annual capacity of 140 GWh, while Stellantis is planning a new factory in Indiana, which will have an initial annual production capacity of 23 GWh."

They all add up to a LOT of batteries. I will be waiting the much better ones myself.

Love the shift, let’s mine other stuff not Coal or Oil
This is going to be interesting!

Knock on effect - oil derived goods - price Up
Rarer earth elements - price up
Abuse of foreign labour forces - up

Meanwhile Western society can quietly sit back smuggly quoting better environmental responsibility.

Welcome to the age of stupidity

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

2024 Range Rover Electric is expected to be unique & capable [Update]

Last Updated On: February 14, 2023 3:17 am. Original article by: Sagar Parikh

• Will be the first Land Rover EV to go on sale
• Confirmed to debut in 2024; to be followed by the Range Rover Sport EV
• Could deliver an EPA-est. range of 275-300 miles
• Likely to be more expensive than the Mercedes EQS SUV, starting at around USD 130,000

Update: ‘Design,’ ‘Interior’ and ‘Specifications’ sections revised.

2024 Range Rover Electric is expected to be unique & capable


I am keen to see the hydrogen / Solid state battery settle in first. Not shocked to see this detail now. Still a way off for our little market I guess.

Mate ordered the RRS,Hybrid,8 months ago.
Cancelled the order,more unknown lengthy delays,more features deleted,more price increases.
Thought he would wait 12 months and see how the orders are then,but they have said it will only be EV,so not what he wants,won’t suit their needs.

So went back to the Jap brand he had before,in stock,top of the range,$120K less,and loves it.

I can’t see how going to only EV’s is going to do the company any favours.
They really need to increase their sales to be viable,not limit the range to suit a smaller market than they have now.

Originally Posted by scarry

Mate ordered the RRS,Hybrid,8 months ago.
Cancelled the order,more unknown lengthy delays,more features deleted,more price increases.
Thought he would wait 12 months and see how the orders are then,but they have said it will only be EV,so not what he wants,won’t suit their needs.

So went back to the Jap brand he had before,in stock,top of the range,$120K less,and loves it.

I can’t see how going to only EV’s is going to do the company any favours.
They really need to increase their sales to be viable,not limit the range to suit a smaller market than they have now.

Not at all disagreeing at all for my own Disco replacement needs. I want Solid state batteries or Hydrogen FCEV or Solid state batteries with hybrid hydrogen FCEV needed before I jump that way