Wizard
Why to you blame the car maker for this?Originally Posted by NavyDiver
"(Reuters) -Tesla has lowered driving-range estimates across its lineup of electric vehicles as a new U.S. government vehicle-testing regulation takes effect with the goal of ensuring that automakers accurately reflect real-world performance.
Tesla has historically issued range estimates that overstate what its cars can deliver, prompting widespread complaints from customers, according to some automotive testing experts and a Reuters investigation last year."
Wish our government would do the same to all of the fibbers
Car makers are required to test cars, ICE and EV, to a Government test. That test doesn't reflect feeway driving, which is were EVs struggle.
My Subaru doesn't come close to it's test numbers either.
This issue needs to be aimed at government, not car makers.
Tony
Swaggie
With ICE vehicles in Aus,the car manufacturer supplies the vehicle to whoever tests them.This is done in a specialist laboratory,audited and controlled by the overseeing Govt body.
The manufacturer will do their own tests,but these are not the rated published figures.
EVS could be tested differently,possibly by the manufacturer?
LordRover
SubscriberLove 'em or not, doesn't matter. I have to wonder how long insurers are going to put up with $5000 blankets, countless firefighters, half a dozen appliances, and escorted transport to an isolated place in a yard. This one looks like a JLR product.
JayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
1994 D1 300TDi Manual: Dave
1980 SIII Petrol Tray: Doris
OKApotamus #74
Nanocom, D2 TD5 only.
LordRover
SubscriberJayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
1994 D1 300TDi Manual: Dave
1980 SIII Petrol Tray: Doris
OKApotamus #74
Nanocom, D2 TD5 only.
LordRover
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Last edited by Tins; 12th January 2024 at 12:04 AM.
JayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
1994 D1 300TDi Manual: Dave
1980 SIII Petrol Tray: Doris
OKApotamus #74
Nanocom, D2 TD5 only.
Very Very Lucky!
Fully agree. It should be illegal! That is a government/regulator fault. The Lexus I had prior to my Landrover speedo showed 100kph when the car was doing 90-92! Our stupid government/regulator rulz says 10% below is OK
The fault is clear. The truth is we allow it by not demanding truthful and honest in so many areas. I am a grumpy old man
OldBushie
If you’re going to go down that rabbit hole be careful.Fully agree. It should be illegal! That is a government/regulator fault. The Lexus I had prior to my Landrover speedo showed 100kph when the car was doing 90-92! Our stupid government/regulator rulz says 10% below is OK
The fault is clear. The truth is we allow it by not demanding truthful and honest in so many areas. I am a grumpy old man
Every tyre manufacturer uses nominal sizes, one brand will have the speedo close to accurate, another may be out 8%.
Who has to comply there?
At the end of the day the ICE consumption test is just an indicator, if you compare vehicles and one is lower, it should use less fuel. Just don’t use the number itself as gospel.
Same with appliance energy / water use ratings.
Very Very Lucky!
Understand that bit. Tyre size changes impacted on the speedo of a car imported from Japan as a case point. It was my cousin's car. He thought my LADA towing a boat was doing over 120Kph ++++
We have enough smart people to let car manufactures tell us the truth or not misinform us when blind Freddy can see its waffle.
The same goes in many areas of course. My red line is allowing dishonestly misinforming us by business taking a LOT of money from us for products that do not do what is promised.
Rabbit holes need avoidance
LordRover
SubscriberSpeaking of rabbit holes....
I think you will find that nearly all newer cars are built this way. I was once told that it was in fact a mandate, but I have no evidence of this. However, it is one of the reasons people scream "SPEEDING" when a heavy vehicle is involved. Speedos in modern prime movers are usually accurate, because they can be calibrated for different axle ratios and tyre sizes, so when they say 100 they mean 100. Nearly 10% faster than the car that says 100 when it means 92.
JayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
1994 D1 300TDi Manual: Dave
1980 SIII Petrol Tray: Doris
OKApotamus #74
Nanocom, D2 TD5 only.
Very Very Lucky!
Both the new cars I have had over the last four years are on the button John. (MG XSev and MG 4 ev) My Disco was very good unless I put the MTs on. One more post here then I am offline. It's almost stressful being successful
VW kicking but with Solid state from the company that paid for both my cars!!
Volkswagen’s battery-focused in-house subsidiary, Power Co, has been working with California-based QuantumScape to develop solid-state batteries. As with so many others working on the same tech, the problem has not been designing and making a battery that works — that’s the easy part. The problem has been creating a battery that can work, repeatedly, for years of service.
QuantumScape’s design gets around that problem, in part, by doing away with the lithium anode altogether. That battery design has just been put through a grueling test by Volkswagen and Power Co — one thousand charge cycles; that’s a full recharge and discharge, enough to take a car with a 500km electric range for 500,000km. And the battery survived. In fact, it not only survived, it still had 95 per cent of its original charge capacity left. For context, most electric car lithium-ion batteries are only warrantied to retain around 80 per cent capacity after 160,000km.
Has Volkswagen just cracked the solid-state battery conundrum? – The Irish Times NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE
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