Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Tins

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There are quite literally square miles of land taken up with estimated hundreds of thousands of abandoned, brand new EVs in China. Who knows how they will offload those?

This article casts some doubt on that frequently heard claim.

The Real Story of That Chinese EV Graveyard Isn'''t What You Were Told

Originally Posted by vnx205

This article casts some doubt on that frequently heard claim.

The Real Story of That Chinese EV Graveyard Isn'''t What You Were Told

Yes. Read that. Read a whole lot more as well. Seems there are "fact checkers" everywhere. Everyone has an agenda. But there are too many pics, too many articles, to dismiss it on the basis of one written by a self confessed fanboy.

Certainly not a pretty story - China has lots of abandoned cars, cities, bicycles - you name it.

Bloomberg did a story on this as well confirming the fields of abandoned cars are from failed ride share companies that bought cheap, subsidised, and low quality early versions of EV cars that when they went bust have no value today.

Bloomberg

I don’t see it as an anti or pro EV story - it just an example of the subsidised waste you will see in China. When they go all in - they do things big.

China's E.V. Graveyards Are an Indictment of Subsidies

Charging is a interesting evolution. This might be a LOOK AT ME story for a company!

"Researchers say the new tech is 8-10 times more power-dense than conventional wireless charging coils.

Imagine pulling up in a garage or parking lot in your nearly depleted EV, and having no pesky charging cables to fiddle with, no payment systems to navigate, and no charging apps to download. Just park and walk away. Researchers are taking wireless charging seriously, and one U.S. lab has achieved a breakthrough: 96% efficiency in a 100kW wireless charging test."

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

I don’t see it as an anti or pro EV story -

Neither do I. I only mentioned it because I was wondering which country would wind up with them. Pretty easy to dump them on the poorer nations looking to get on the EV bandwagon. No Western country would accept them, but African or Latin American ones might. Neat little add on to the Belt and Road stuff already happening there.

Sure, I'm cynical. But they have form. And China's economy ain't as robust as they'd have you think. Lotsa stuff going wrong there.

Chinese Comercail property blues John

Its all about massive smooth continuous torque I will not buy a tesla

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I will not buy a tesla

And I won't buy a Lamborghini. Although I confess to coveting a couple of Ferraris.

Seriously though, where can you use the performance of either of them? On the weekend, up here, I see Teslas, Lambos, McLarens, Ferraris, even a Pagani once ( didn't think you could get those here ), all crawling along with the other tourists, with the people struggling to get out ( possibly not the font seat passengers in the Model S ) once they are lucky enough to find somewhere to park. All confined to heavily policed speed limits. It's ludicrous. They can't even admire themselves in the shop windows up here. There's the odd Caterham, which makes far more sense. Unless it's raining. In Sassafras.

If they want attention, they should get a Series. Or an OKA. Everyone looks at those.

Originally Posted by Tins

Neither do I. I only mentioned it because I was wondering which country would wind up with them. Pretty easy to dump them on the poorer nations looking to get on the EV bandwagon. No Western country would accept them, but African or Latin American ones might. Neat little add on to the Belt and Road stuff already happening there.

Sure, I'm cynical. But they have form. And China's economy ain't as robust as they'd have you think. Lotsa stuff going wrong there.

I guess there is a market for exporting low km / good condition secondhand cars out of China. But sounds like you wouldn’t even be able to give these ones away.

A lot of the early domestic sold EVs in China that were picked up on the cheap by ride-hailing companies only had a 100km range. Plus second hand EVs typically can’t be shipped, and so would need to be transported by road or rail. So could end up in Russia or North Korea is someone is prepared to pay for the transportation cost.

My guess is they will eventually be recycled - especially for the steel.