Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

this is my problem. What other car is basically a throw away item to be discarded once it's warranty runs out. We are basically making transport only viable for the wealthy. If the average age of cars in australia is 12years.... Does that mean 1/2 or the cars on the roads are well in excess of 12years old? So you are basically removing the ability to have functional, viable transport for 50% of people. But hey, who cares about the poor.




I wish I could stop people repeating this crazyness. So you want to take a leaky, ageing inredibly dangerous lithium battery ... remove all of its exotic monitors and controllers, remove its exotic cooling systems and sensors ... and stick it on your house wall ... where your family sleeps. I for one can't see a single issue with that This is the sort of utter stupidity that gets repeated by electric car zealots I would be hoping land rover owners would have more common sense that to follow lunacy if its screamed at them in the media.




Its very expensive though. The battery tech isn't there in my opinion. You realise these house batteries are burning and being recalled even sold brand new as house batteries



How long do you get from any other litium battery you have ever owned. laptops, phones, ipads, power tools etc.... I would expect this to be similar to lithium house batteries and lithium car batteries. they all use the same battery cells. I know, "but they are magical different chemistries" in the identical battery cells when used in electric cars. Ok, think lead acid battery technology. We have been using lead acid as car start batteries from over 100years. there is many different chemicals and design .... what is the only thing they all have in common?? Yeah a service life of 12months -> 5 years (at a big stretch, capacity is way down). Maybe they will also last 20years if we fit them to an electric car and blow some pixie dust over them



off grid is interesting. But like owning an electric car, comes with huge costs and drawbacks. How would I run a fridge ... a welder, a compressor..... a cloths drier ..... you know, basically live without a dirty big diesel generator sitting there ready to fire up How do I heat my house in ballarat? wood heating is after all terrible for the environment (and I have asthmatics in the house).

Dr Karl has some interesting thoughts on Wood heaters and Sydney Emergency departments!

Laptop is 10 years old
Battery only last 2 hours now

Used some battery drill ones which may be older?

Not suggesting all batteries make it to 10! It would be a lie to suggest all older cars will last that long?

Appreciate many of us keep our Landrovers going for decades and longer Personally that cost me a new engine and a new gear box ontop of normal frequent maintenance.

Checking wreaking sites may find a few broken Landrovers which are younger?? Off to qld next week for a mate who joined the Navy with me who died far to young in my thoughts. Some things break to early sadly.

Taking my 1942 jungle carbine 303 to a museum today and one of my favorite ships is a Museum in Sydney now.

Some things go the distance happily.

re "How would I run a fridge ... a welder, a compressor..... a cloths drier ..... you know, basically live without a dirty big diesel generator sitting there ready to fire up " My Solar/Victron/Flow batteries U.P.S. at my former work could run that I think. Not saying you should and that 10 year old system is a bit long in the tooth as well now

PS Sorry if I raised blood pressure. Your thought and own wishes are valid.

PPS Ballarat was fun on Saturday. My Dads in Nazareth house beside Lake Wendouree's six-kilometre Steve Moneghetti running and walking track Swearing alert for this one

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Dr Karl has some interesting thoughts on Wood heaters and Sydney Emergency departments!

Laptop is 10 years old
Battery only last 2 hours now

Used some battery drill ones which may be older?

Not suggesting all batteries make it to 10! It would be a lie to suggest all older cars will last that long?

Appreciate many of us keep our Landrovers going for decades and longer Personally that cost me a new engine and a new gear box ontop of normal frequent maintenance.

Checking wreaking sites may find a few broken Landrovers which are younger?? Off to qld next week for a mate who joined the Navy with me who died far to young in my thoughts. Some things break to early sadly.

Taking my 1942 jungle carbine 303 to a museum today and one of my favorite ships is a Museum in Sydney now.

Some things go the distance happily.

re "How would I run a fridge ... a welder, a compressor..... a cloths drier ..... you know, basically live without a dirty big diesel generator sitting there ready to fire up " My Solar/Victron/Flow batteries U.P.S. at my former work could run that I think. Not saying you should and that 10 year old system is a bit long in the tooth as well now

PS Sorry if I raised blood pressure. Your thought and own wishes are valid.

PPS Ballarat was fun on Saturday. My Dads in Nazareth house beside Lake Wendouree's six-kilometre Steve Moneghetti running and walking track Swearing alert for this one

My problem usually it, people that I thought were intelligent and hearing this lunacy being endlessly screamed at us in the media (and by politicians) and actually believe it ... not only that, they repeat it like gospel

I'm actually pretty impressed if you have a workng laptop battery of any capacity at 10years. I work in IT .... have had dozens of laptops, our company would have thousands of them on the books at any one time. The oldest usable laptop battery I have (that isn't dead) would be maybe 8years old at the moment...... The 8 minutes I get from that battery is quite exciting.

Batteries degrade over time. I have no idea why electric car zealots seem to think none of this will happen with electric cars.

duplicate post

I bought an intel macbook back in late 2019 when they announced the switch to ARM. I got burned in the last switch so I wanted to get ahead of that. Of course the chinese flu in 2020 threw a spanner in the works in regards to the usage of said macbook, I used my mac pro mainly, so it has been very lightly used since. Now at (almost) 5 years old the battery reports 91% health with -drumroll- 186 cycles.

Let's put that into perspective. The laptop has been on power most of the time I used it, I use a tool that sets the firmware such that it does not charge past 80% to keep the lithium as happy as possible, I hardly ever discharge it beyond 20% and STILL I lost almost 10% battery "health", which I will translate to capacity for the sake of this argument with only 200 cycles.

Your mileage, litterally, may vary but I don't see how BEV batteries can perform a lot better than that.

-P

Originally Posted by vnx205

So were you upset about the people who bought Holdens and several other brands when the Australian Government subsidised them to the tune of $2.17 billion in the twelve years prior to 2013?

Holden reveals billions in subsidies - ABC News

Classic deflection tactic. Well done.

Those subsidies were to keep manufacturing jobs viable in Australia, and no, I never said I was happy with that. I also wasn't happy with the bailout of Kodak.

Choose the words in your own mouth carefully before you put them into mine.

Originally Posted by prelude

I bought an intel macbook back in late 2019 when they announced the switch to ARM. I got burned in the last switch so I wanted to get ahead of that. Of course the chinese flu in 2020 threw a spanner in the works in regards to the usage of said macbook, I used my mac pro mainly, so it has been very lightly used since. Now at (almost) 5 years old the battery reports 91% health with -drumroll- 186 cycles.

Let's put that into perspective. The laptop has been on power most of the time I used it, I use a tool that sets the firmware such that it does not charge past 80% to keep the lithium as happy as possible, I hardly ever discharge it beyond 20% and STILL I lost almost 10% battery "health", which I will translate to capacity for the sake of this argument with only 200 cycles.

Your mileage, litterally, may vary but I don't see how BEV batteries can perform a lot better than that.

-P

that's pretty good. batteries degrade, you have slowed it quite a bit. Its not a bad thing, its just reality. Look at the power you get from a remarkably small battery for many years ( at least 5 years usually). The issue i have with cars, is they need to last decades .... not years without massive maintenance costs. And a battery is a maintenance cost the is absolutely ludicrous.

I have the same issue with the stupid green power. A power station should have a life of decades ... easily 50years. Not those ridiculous intermittent power windmills and solar panels though.

Originally Posted by Tins

Classic deflection tactic. Well done.

Those subsidies were to keep manufacturing jobs viable in Australia, and no, I never said I was happy with that. I also wasn't happy with the bailout of Kodak.

Choose the words in your own mouth carefully before you put them into mine.

The part I have italicised answers my question. Thank you.

The rest is quite unnecessary.

Don't assume that everyone has an agenda. Some of us are just seeking clarification.

EDIT Bold, not italics because all the quote is automatically italics.

Almost new BMW car on fire as I drove past today. Petrol and engine fire. Not a EV!


Wondering how to check your laptop battery since we have been chatting about it?

Try CMD line with powercfg /batteryreport /output "C:\battery-report.html"
From Windows 10 Battery Report: What It Is and How to Use It (lifewire.com)


I am doing a very slow balancing Charge at the moment The term 'battery' in EV terms is really a mass of battery cells. While it is not always clear. You can replace individual cell if they are damaged.


A Kia forum has this interesting snippet on the topic "Battery replacements for the first generation Kia Soul EVs are being done with second generation cells. There is about a 10% increase in energy capacity. Replacement packs have the same number of cells, in the same layout. Same physical size."

Understanding batteries is a key. Video on my old cars battery pack The BMW battery manufacturing operation auto played after the MG XS one for me.

The Automation in both is interesting itself.

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I think the waiting for Solid state cells which should be here later this year rather than hoping I can have them in a current car would be smarter of course. What price they are is the main question of course

How old are our cars from ABS data suggested 10.6 years old unless your in Tassie where it was 13 years old or ACT with sub 10. Average age

• Average age of vehicles across Australia increased to 10.6 years.
• Tasmanian vehicles were the the oldest at 13.3 years.
• The Australian Capital Territory had the youngest fleet with an average age of 9.5 years.

Motor Vehicle Census, Australia, 31 Jan 2021 | Australian Bureau of Statistics (abs.gov.au)

As previously mentioned I was very happy in my 2004 Disco and know averages are almost never the real number