Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I'm still waiting for this cohorts position on filling our cars with Russian crude that was shipped to India in "shadow tankers" and refined there.

Does that make us happy?

Does having a supply chain that only has a few weeks reserve cause any twinges of concern? Any inkling that maybe lessening our reliance on that wouldn't be a bad thing?

We have even less capacity for electricity.
Plenty of coal - nowhere to use it
Plenty of gas - limited gas turbines

Yes, some owners of PV will be self sufficient.

Won't matter regardless, all supply chains rely on trucks, rail, shipping - none of that is electric. Electric couldn't keep up with that level of demand regardless once the big generators stop.

Shadow tankers - not a nice concept, but neither is the sourcing of components for battery systems, electronics etc. all done unethically.


Australia has everything it needs to be a mega player, and self sufficient. It's minority groups and weak policy that prevent us from using our own resources for our own people.


As for policy to move people to what you consider the ?right? solution - there's a word for that; coercion.


And, anyway? Dual Cab utes? no bigger footprint than a Commodore or Falcon has.
Can't comfortably use a tiny car for anything other than a few occupants - a family with kids doing sports certainly struggle without a mid/large size vehicle.

This one's been done to death - the Dual Cabs, SUVs, Prados, Klugers, etc are nothing but an elevated family wagon.

Tesla 3
4,720 x 1,933 (folded mirrors) x 1,441 (1,835kg)

Hilux 2025
5,320 x 1,855 x 1,750 (2,135kg)
*600mm longer, 78mm narrower and just 311mm taller and only 300kg heavier.

Tesla Model X
5,036 x 2,271 x 1,684 (2,445kg)


Not such a big difference, in fact, in a car park the Hilux would be easier to get in and out of as it's not occupying the width of the park as much!

Originally Posted by Tombie

We have even less capacity for electricity.
Plenty of coal - nowhere to use it
Plenty of gas - limited gas turbines

Yes, some owners of PV will be self sufficient.

Won't matter regardless, all supply chains rely on trucks, rail, shipping - none of that is electric. Electric couldn't keep up with that level of demand regardless once the big generators stop.

Shadow tankers - not a nice concept, but neither is the sourcing of components for battery systems, electronics etc. all done unethically.


Australia has everything it needs to be a mega player, and self sufficient. It's minority groups and weak policy that prevent us from using our own resources for our own people.


As for policy to move people to what you consider the ?right? solution - there's a word for that; coercion.


And, anyway? Dual Cab utes? no bigger footprint than a Commodore or Falcon has.
Can't comfortably use a tiny car for anything other than a few occupants - a family with kids doing sports certainly struggle without a mid/large size vehicle.

This one's been done to death - the Dual Cabs, SUVs, Prados, Klugers, etc are nothing but an elevated family wagon.

Tesla 3
4,720 x 1,933 (folded mirrors) x 1,441 (1,835kg)

Hilux 2025
5,320 x 1,855 x 1,750 (2,135kg)
*600mm longer, 78mm narrower and just 311mm taller and only 300kg heavier.

Tesla Model X
5,036 x 2,271 x 1,684 (2,445kg)


Not such a big difference, in fact, in a car park the Hilux would be easier to get in and out of as it's not occupying the width of the park as much!

I'm struggling with this. Over 80% of our fuel is imported. 100% of our electricity is manufactured domestically.

Doesn't that worry you even a little?

Are you ok with Russian oil?

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Yes, and there stupidity will be ignore by all but the brain washed. Now you just touched on the other obvious thing EV's do, they are trying to take cars out of the hands of poor poeple. So "make people other than me drive less". You are doing a very good job telling us what WE should do is a way that sounds like you're not.
ie:

• do what we say
• buy what we say
• you don't need a car
• if you can somehow afford one, you must buy the one we tell you
• If I put luny net zero here, our expectation is you will be living in a cave with no power or heating and be happy for it as you are saving the planet.

This is one of the most fascinating talks I've seen on EVs .... I know you won't watch it as net zero/ev evangelists refuse to even listen to anything that will not match there beliefs. However this isn't anti EV.



It is really fascinating. I had no idea the horse and cart was so expensive.

Aaah.. we don't have EV mandates in Australia.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Aaah.. we don't have EV mandates in Australia.

No, we have coercive taxes on vehicles that aren't EV

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I'm struggling with this. Over 80% of our fuel is imported. 100% of our electricity is manufactured domestically.

Doesn't that worry you even a little?

Are you ok with Russian oil?

Again? how is that 100% electricity supply fed?

Gas - ships
Coal - rail / ships


Am I worried about Russian Oil? Not in the slightest? A Bloke is violently Arguing with another Bloke who violently disagrees with an agreement that was supposed to be met.

I'm also Ok with Chinese made consumer products, many of which are manufactured in Sweat Shop style industrial complexes and take advantage of poor working conditions for the benefit of Western society.

I'm also ok with Chinese tech in EVs which can contain subversive software or hardware.

I'm also ok with OTA updates which of course allows reverse hacking.

I'm also OK with populations being harmed to mine Lithium, Cobalt, Nickel, Iron etc to make nice batteries.

I'm ok with big corporations dictating what small nations do with their resources.

I'm ok with government over reach, and government overspending on futile endeavours.

And I'm ok with you liking your EV

Originally Posted by PhilipA

As many as they want. That is freedom of choice in a democracy.
That is why we are not driving Ladas.
Funnily enough it is Federal government policy that enables tradies to buy them by slapping a sign on the side claim depreciation and running costs, sometimes 100% immediately and not have to keep a logbook of private travel.
Go Figgurre!
Regards PhilipA[/COLOR]

I refer you to minute 10 of this video...Stupidity that knows no bounds......please note I did not choose the title.

Originally Posted by Tombie

No, we have coercive taxes on vehicles that aren't EV

Unless we're giving traides even bigger tax breaks to buy dual cab utes. I guess that's ok.

Luxury ute tax loophole costs Australians $250m a year, researchers say | Transport | The Guardian

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Aaah.. we don't have EV mandates in Australia.

Want to bet? What do you think the new "emissions standard" are... An EV mandate in disguise. The ACT had an EV mandate, but I think that has been watered down as it was utterly stupid nonsense. You can't mandate something in canberra ... even the nutters full of hot air there must have realised poeple will just drive down the road to sydney and buy what they want there.

You didn't watch the video right? It's very interesting, EV mandates are only a small part of it. The cost of moving energy via power lines is something I was sure was the cheapest way to move energy.... But far from it.