Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

We are ground zero in QLD. Anything goes. Like literally anything. If you can buy it on the internet get on it and come and ride our bike paths. This rattled past me last week.

We drive on the LHS in OZ. Is that in another country or can scooters drive on whatever side they like ?

Looks like I wrote in the wrong place. Try again. Can scooters ride on whatever side of the road they like? Looks like you are both on the RHS.

Originally Posted by 123rover50

Looks like I wrote in the wrong place. Try again. Can scooters ride on whatever side of the road they like? Looks like you are both on the RHS.

it's a two way bike path.. that's looking backwards. It's a rearview camera. I'm on the left and he's overtaking me on the right. But that's not the point!

He's riding an electric moped on a shared path.

The rules that the state has in place is things ridden on bike paths.. the primary source of power has to be the human. If it does have motor assist it needs to cut out at 25kph (unless it's a PMD/scooter). That's the stated intent of the law. But if you don't enforce the laws then you just end up where people are riding electric motorbikes on our off road bike tracks and separated paths.

I'm pretty sure that for many people, both walking and riding there is a real attraction to being away from high speed motorised traffic. I'm sure the police have better things to do, but if something isn't done these facilities will very likely just become race tracks for all manner of electric things. We're even starting to see some petrol powered things creeping back onto off road facilities as people have realised it's the wild west.

From what I've seen in general it's only the clueless newbies that ride their unregistered motorbikes on the road in traffic as that's a shore way of being pulled by a cop. The smart ones know bike paths and shared paths are enforcement free so you can go your hardest there.

I think they are also being used for crime as my brother saw a gardener put a battery powered backpack blower down to go for lunch and a guy on a high powered scooter picked it up and zoomed off up the bike path.

The RULEZ!

Bikes.

While we're off on a tangent... apparently prior to 2021 the law stated that people selling electric bikes in Aus had to prove, or be able to prove that their bikes complied with the Australian standards. In short the motor was limited to 250w and can only be activated by pedalling (no throttles). There are a few little quirks, like old standards that limit power more and allow throttles, and NSW who has allowed up to 500W which is not really done anywhere else.

Anyway in 2021 the federal government changed the law so that the requirement to prove a device was compliant was removed. No-one knows why but all this "mess" is down to that. So now importers are selling bikes which don't meet the standards. They aren't illegal to sell, or to own, but they are illegal to use anywhere other than private property.

I got passed by one of these he other day. 850w, no speed limiter. Buy on line.. no worries. Not even a mention that they aren't legal to operate in public spaces.

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Personal Mobility Devices.

In the interest of brevity.. lets call these scooters. Now this varies wildly by state but let's break them down into two classes. Hire scooters which are generally fairly tightly controlled. And private scooters.

Queensland led the way with these making their operation legal in public space if they met a number of conditions. Limiting power and max speed. And then for various reasons - in 2023 they removed pretty much all limitations on the devices and made it just like cars - the operator is responsible to ensure that they don't go over 25kph on bike paths, and 12kph on footpaths/shared paths. So you can buy a 4kw scooter and it's all up to the operator to not go too fast. And we know how that's going.

This one is a relatively common sight. Up to 105kph. Dual wheel drive, 4 kh of power. At least they kind of allude that it might not be legal.

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How it's actually going... kids riding electric things on shared paths at 50kph and over. Sure! one less car.

[QUOTE=RANDLOVER;3255694 a guy on a high powered scooter picked it up and zoomed off up the bike path.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

How it's actually going... kids riding electric things on shared paths at 50kph and over. Sure! one less car.

Great to see the kids getting to school not via the car drop off types. The separate bike and walking paths as well- Nice. Re the 50kph bit. A few bike types can push racing bikes along at that speed. I am more a 20-30kph bike type

What's your beast of a machine?

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Great to see the kids getting to school not via the car drop off types. The separate bike and walking paths as well- Nice. Re the 50kph bit. A few bike types can push racing bikes along at that speed. I am more a 20-30kph bike type

What's your beast of a machine?

I have many bikes. In one of the videos I'm on our Giant Ebike (legal). I try not to ride it all the time though as I need the exercise. In the other video I was on either a road bike or the gravel bike.